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THE iDOLM@STER => THE iDOLM@STER SP (PSP) series => Topic started by: ninjamitsuki on June 19, 2010, 11:16:05 pm

Title: I am completely new to playing this game, help?
Post by: ninjamitsuki on June 19, 2010, 11:16:05 pm
I've been a fan of The Idolm@ster for several months now, but I only got SP (Missing Moon and Wandering Star), today. I was wondering many things.

1: Explain how an English speaker who doesn't read a word of Japanese would play
2: Explain to me how I would use dlc? Would an American Playstation store account work for getting DLC, or do I have to sign up for a Japanese one? If so, how do I sign up for a Japanese one?
Title: Re: I am completely new to playing this game, help?
Post by: Benpc91 on June 20, 2010, 01:49:10 am
1: They just do.  You know, memorize what option does what and all.
2: I believe you can sign up for an Asian (not Japanese) account and you'll have an English PSN menu, with up-to-date DLC.
Title: Re: I am completely new to playing this game, help?
Post by: ninjamitsuki on June 20, 2010, 02:08:29 am
I've started to get used to the gameplay, and it's actually a lot of fun.

But I still need help with DLC.

You see, I've never downloaded DLC for any game before in my life. How do I sign up for an Asian PSN account?

Do I just sign up for an asian psn account, get some points or whatever through paypal or something, then use the points to buy DLC?

Title: Re: I am completely new to playing this game, help?
Post by: BT2 on June 20, 2010, 02:09:09 pm
You can have the JP version of the game and buy the asian version DLC just fine or vice versa.
Do note that once you get DLC from one store that you should stick to that store, seeing as how you can't switch accounts on a PSP like one can do on a PS3, you can't mix and match stores, blame the encryption key in your PSP's registry.

The key to setting up a foreign PSN account is by selecting the correct country that has access to the PSN area you intend to have access to.
The hardest part of setting up a foreign account is filling out your details and having a 'real' address in a foreign country, but you can google one with a bit of effort.
When I registered I choose the University of Tokyo's address <___<.

I'm not sure how it works for the asian store, but the jp store only allows jp creditcards and point cards, so the easiest way to buy dlc from the japanese store is by buying a prepaid point card in my opinion.
Be sure to get the correct point card for the correct area.


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Didn't know that registration on this forum's re-enabled again, what went wrong after that downtime some while ago?
Title: Re: I am completely new to playing this game, help?
Post by: Kyo on June 20, 2010, 07:18:36 pm
You can have the JP version of the game and buy the asian version DLC just fine or vice versa.

This is true. Also, the only restriction is that you can't use both Japanese and Asian DLC on the same account after you've downloaded them.

I found this out after I stupidly wasted the DLC bonus from the Break! manga.

If you need help on gameplay, feel free to ask here or read my FAQ on GameFAQs.
Title: Re: I am completely new to playing this game, help?
Post by: ninjamitsuki on June 24, 2010, 04:25:17 pm
Alright, I have a gameplay question now.

Why does Kotori sometimes (Actually, most of the time) lowers your image level after a sucessful audition if you have high stats? Is it something I did? Remember, I don't read Japanese except a few kana, so whenever Kotori comes after I win an audition due to an image level and stats I gained due to luck, I start shivering because I know she'll probably lower them.

Why does this happen? It's probably not Kotori herself going "MWAHAHAHA I'M GOING TO LOWER YOUR IMAGE LEVEL AND THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT! >:D", but well you know, I associate Kotori with such a horrible thing. I think it's probably just there to make the game more challenging, (after all, the game would probably be way too easy if you were at idol god the entire game) but I want to know that if that's not the case, is it because of some action I did in the past that triggers it?
Title: Re: I am completely new to playing this game, help?
Post by: Kyo on June 24, 2010, 05:29:00 pm
You probably forgot to successfully keep an appointment that you made with a reporter who requested you for an interview.

Sometimes in the morning mail, there will be requests from people either asking for an interview, an appointment with the fashion stylist or an audition with your rival. If you said yes at first but then failed to show up on the scheduled date, you get a penalty. Either your image level goes down or some of your items disappear.
Title: Re: I am completely new to playing this game, help?
Post by: BT2 on June 24, 2010, 06:51:22 pm
Also, choosing the wrong answer during an interview can also lead to rumors, which leads to a drop in image level.
The inverse is possible as well.
Title: Re: I am completely new to playing this game, help?
Post by: Cael K. on June 25, 2010, 05:23:55 am
Of course, you can look at your schedule (second page, press R) as you're planning it and see if any new options popped up. If any did, and are marked with the オススメ mark, then you've got visitors.

Though if you weren't expecting any, this means you've gotta guess on your responses.

Quick tip: If you're not comfortable with your Japanese, you can pause the game to read text or timed choices.
Title: Re: I am completely new to playing this game, help?
Post by: ninjamitsuki on July 01, 2010, 03:38:12 pm
Ok, I understand. Shouldn't be so careless with saying yes to the appointments all the time.

But I'm still struggling with the whole DLC thing. I have the Asian version of the game. The back of the box is in Chinese, the manual is in Chinese, the game's in Japanese, and the inner brochure is in English.

Would a Japanese playstation store account still work with it? Is it pretty much exactly the same as the Japanese version but with a different box? Because I can only find a guide to make a Japanese playstation store account, but there's no guide for an Asian one. So, would a Japanese one work with the Asian game?

That's all I need to know.
Title: Re: I am completely new to playing this game, help?
Post by: nowano on July 01, 2010, 04:31:20 pm
Yes, there are no differences between the Asian and Japanese version, the only difference is the packaging. The Japanese PSN account will work with any version of the game. Just follow the guide to setup the Jp PSN account.
Title: Re: I am completely new to playing this game, help?
Post by: Scotty on July 01, 2010, 10:41:06 pm
Let me emphasize the fact that you can only have one account on a psp. If you continually switch between your NA and JP accounts, you'll break the licenses of all your content after 5 or so switches. So if you're planning on getting anything from the NA or JP store, stick with that.

Title: Re: I am completely new to playing this game, help?
Post by: Cael K. on July 02, 2010, 09:14:43 pm
This wasn't one of your questions, but it might help.

Generally speaking, there are three general strategies you can pull per judging phase.

Standard: 4-3-2
Press: 4-4-1
Spear: 7-1-1

You can vary this up as you need, subbing out something for a memory (the prime candidate being the genre you don't care about) or two (or three if you're really desperate), but without reading the judges' comments, you won't really know how to adapt to what's actually happening. Your best guess would come from how you do at the end of the phase.
Title: Re: I am completely new to playing this game, help?
Post by: digi162 on July 02, 2010, 09:58:12 pm
1: Explain how an English speaker who doesn't read a word of Japanese would play

Just select Yayoi and don't play any other idols.  Should be a piece of cake.  Pun intended.

Anyways.  I wrote up something a long while ago explaining how to play IM@S SP if you need help.  If you google search "How to play Idolm@ster without knowing Japanese" it's like a livejournal entry haha.
Title: Re: I am completely new to playing this game, help?
Post by: ninjamitsuki on July 03, 2010, 04:42:55 am
Alright, one more question. I just discovered that you can do auditions with ANY idol from ANY game in office mode, you just can't play story mode with those idols.

So, if I were to purchase songs for the idols from Perfect Sun, which I don't have, would they work in office mode, or would it only work if I have Perfect Sun?
Title: Re: I am completely new to playing this game, help?
Post by: digi162 on July 03, 2010, 05:17:40 am
ROFL me and my shitty joke there xD

Yeah that's the best part of Office Mode.  I've spent more time there then the actual game sadly haha.  But yes, any song DLC you purchase for an idol will work in that mode.  That reminds me of the complaint with purchasing songs for Takane, etc.  You could only use them in Office Mode because you can't produce them, so it feels like a waste to buy a song for the idol when you can only use it in that mode.  DLC works like the savefile for the game- it's used amongst all 3 versions of the game, so it doesn't matter which game you're using.
Title: Re: I am completely new to playing this game, help?
Post by: ninjamitsuki on July 03, 2010, 04:57:12 pm
Alright, I have a Japanese playstation store account now.

I just have a question.

Where do I get points cards, and how do I redeem them?
Title: Re: I am completely new to playing this game, help?
Post by: Kyo on July 03, 2010, 05:08:39 pm
Buy them, of course. You can look for JP PSN cards on places like Play-Asia, and to redeem them you just enter the code in the Redeem Codes option of the PSN main screen.
Title: Re: I am completely new to playing this game, help?
Post by: TweenDoriru on July 03, 2010, 05:10:32 pm
I'd recommend getting cards off of ebay or so, because the seller will email you the code on the card, and you can get your DLC faster (I'm not sure if Play-Asia mails the physical card, or if they send the code as well).
Title: Re: I am completely new to playing this game, help?
Post by: digi162 on July 03, 2010, 05:16:53 pm
I think Play-Asia e-mails the code as well.  I've never bought a card from them because they're really expensive.  When I bought all mine, I kept getting them from the same source and he'd send me a code via e-mail in less than 24 hours.  Was nice 8D
Title: Re: I am completely new to playing this game, help?
Post by: ninjamitsuki on July 03, 2010, 05:45:14 pm
I figured it out myself and I got one from Play-asia.

They didn't send me a code, but I was told from a guide that you can email them for the code. I emailed them for the code, hopefully that guide was right and I get it...

Maybe I should have done ebay instead...

Either way, I can't wait.

How much does the average song cost? I got a 30,000 yen card, I believe (I forgot), so how much would I generally be able to get?
Title: Re: I am completely new to playing this game, help?
Post by: digi162 on July 03, 2010, 07:18:42 pm
Uhhhh I think you mean 3000 yen, unless they sell them that high which I would be impressed xD

Songs cost 150 yen per character.  Remixes are 30 yen per character.
Outfits are generally 1000 yen, but there are a handful of 300 yen ones.

I'd recommend not getting any of the 500 yen dresses as they're just color swaps of existing dresses in the game.  Also don't spend 300 on the swimsuit, I think it's a better idea to get the free swimsuit and spend the saved 300 on two more songs instead.
Title: Re: I am completely new to playing this game, help?
Post by: ninjamitsuki on July 04, 2010, 05:59:15 pm
Yeah, I meant 3000 xD.

Umm, how exactly do I buy them? I accessed the store through the game, but only a few DLC are appearing, and if I try and buy one, I get "Playstation network *moon runes*". DO I have to "log in"? How do I "log in"?
Title: Re: I am completely new to playing this game, help?
Post by: digi162 on July 04, 2010, 06:10:32 pm
I never access the store through the game, I just buy it directly off the PSN network (unless it's not showing up there and I RLY want it).  You can do it both ways, but I've always found it easier to use the PSN one.

Do you have Download Plus (http://www.bandainamcogames.co.jp/cs/list/idolmaster/sp/765shop/download_plus.php) installed?  I think you need it to display/download from all the catalogs, been ages since I installed that so I don't remember how.  I think it's for download on the PSN network.  You need to make a JPN PSN account and sign in using that.  If you have your code, you can plug it in by selecting the 12 icon and type in the numbers to redeem the code.  Your account will be credited and you can go buying stuff (saying all this assuming that's why you mean it says log on).
Title: Re: I am completely new to playing this game, help?
Post by: ninjamitsuki on July 04, 2010, 06:40:05 pm
Yup, I just need to download from the playstation store and not through the game...

Got it!

I already bought Meisou Mind for most of the idols!

Too bad for one 3,000 yen card is only enough to buy three songs for all idols and maybe an accessory... I ended up buying two 3,000 yen cards, so maybe I'll only end up buying Meisou Mind, Cosmos, Kosmos, and Mega Au Toki, plus a few outfits and accessories.

Wish there was a "buy for all idols" option for songs, maybe at a bit of a cheaper price than if you were to buy them all individually, like how subscriptions for things work. xD

Edit: Wait a minute... I'm able to download through the Playstation Store, but the content is out of date.
Title: Re: I am completely new to playing this game, help?
Post by: Maiku_Ando on August 18, 2010, 07:48:59 pm
Let me emphasize the fact that you can only have one account on a psp. If you continually switch between your NA and JP accounts, you'll break the licenses of all your content after 5 or so switches. So if you're planning on getting anything from the NA or JP store, stick with that.

Ok this kinda stopped me in my tracks... lol

So then I need to use a JP account to get that download plus thing... I have a real Asia PSN on my PS3 (i assume I can use the same PSN) - and a real Asia credit card, so I'm thinking using the Asia store is best for me, since no need to buy points and cards etc.

The other problem is I want to buy Valkeria Chronicles 2 - the pre-order comes with a DLC code for an extra mission, the game will be the UK version, so I assume it needs UK DLC (previous version of the game did) So do I need to switch to the UK store for that. That means I'm going to wear out most of my PSN switches in like a week...

Oh and its running CFW, so I'll prob have to switch to OFW to get on the PSN then back to CFW....
Maybe i should just buy a new PSP 3000 for PSN use.... or maybe just do none of the above and get an Xbox-J and use that, as SP dosnt do multiple idols :(
Title: Re: I am completely new to playing this game, help?
Post by: BT2 on August 18, 2010, 08:01:40 pm
There're a couple of different plug-ins that'll allow one to access the PSN on a CFW PSP, I heard some good things about something called PSNLover, not that it'd be too hard to get PSP content if you have a PS3..

Also, it's easy enough to switch PSN accounts on a CFW, you could use a program for it, PSN License Manager, or backup some file that's in your flash1 or 2, don't have my PSP with me so I can't be more specific on the filename or location.

Still, you won't be able to use DLC if you only have the files, but not the right to acces said file; you could download Valkyria 2 DLC, backup the registry file thing and delete the original, go to a JP PSN account and download iM@S stuff or so but then you won't be able to acces Valkyria DLC unless you switch back to your UK account.
Title: Re: I am completely new to playing this game, help?
Post by: Maiku_Ando on August 19, 2010, 03:58:27 am
There're a couple of different plug-ins that'll allow one to access the PSN on a CFW PSP, I heard some good things about something called PSNLover, not that it'd be too hard to get PSP content if you have a PS3..

Also, it's easy enough to switch PSN accounts on a CFW, you could use a program for it, PSN License Manager, or backup some file that's in your flash1 or 2, don't have my PSP with me so I can't be more specific on the filename or location.

Still, you won't be able to use DLC if you only have the files, but not the right to acces said file; you could download Valkyria 2 DLC, backup the registry file thing and delete the original, go to a JP PSN account and download iM@S stuff or so but then you won't be able to acces Valkyria DLC unless you switch back to your UK account.

Thanks for that, I didn't realise PSNlover allowed store access and downloads, that's pretty awesome, after playing around with it and some really bad instructions, I got it working with my Asia PSN account and got most of the free stuff - including the download plus app, and the swimsuit lol. Only problem is the DLC wont show up in the game which is odd, am using the iso from the TL project, am wondering if maybe it needs the UMD :/ I sooo wanted see Yukiho in that ickle swimsuit lol.

I'm gonna try the License Manager too, that sounds like a good idea. With that I wonder if I can keep my Valkeria DLC working? And just switch licenses when i want to play it?

Btw what do you mean about using the PS3? Can I use that to download PSP content and copy it over somehow? I've only had the PSP about a month and never tried using it with a PS3.
Title: Re: I am completely new to playing this game, help?
Post by: BT2 on August 19, 2010, 05:25:52 pm
if maybe it needs the UMD :/

And just switch licenses when i want to play it?

Can I use that to download PSP content and copy it over somehow?

Yes x3
Title: Re: I am completely new to playing this game, help?
Post by: animagic4u on August 21, 2010, 04:22:16 am
Wait, on the same note,

you're allowed to have different region psn accounts on a ps3 as long as they're on separate accounts, right? (I hope this makes sense)

Because I have an asian account on mine and my brother has the american account on his.
Title: Re: I am completely new to playing this game, help?
Post by: BT2 on August 21, 2010, 12:45:23 pm
you're allowed to have different region psn accounts on a ps3 as long as they're on separate accounts, right? (I hope this makes sense)
That is correct, also DLC and downloadable games will work on any account on the same machine as long as the DLC region and the region of your game matches;
For example you can use an EU PS3 with an EU PSN account, your game's region is JP and you downloaded stuff from the JP PSN and the DLC will be available as long as there's an user account on the machine that's allowed to run said DLC.
Also, because there's only the need of having an account that's allowed to run DLC, people tend to misuse the 'use your DLC on 5 machines' thing by sharing stuff with others but that's another story.
Title: Re: I am completely new to playing this game, help?
Post by: Maiku_Ando on August 21, 2010, 04:57:31 pm
Yes x3

Awesome thanks.
Shame the UMD is needed, I quite liked using it on a memory stick :/ and the TL was helpful. Although maybe just having the umd in the drive and running the iso would work, will have to try that out at some point.
Title: Re: I am completely new to playing this game, help?
Post by: BT2 on August 21, 2010, 08:27:17 pm
Although maybe just having the umd in the drive and running the iso would work, will have to try that out at some point.
It doesn't work like that.
Because iso's are basically emulated by the CFW, the PSP won't even bother looking at the UMD.
Title: Re: I am completely new to playing this game, help?
Post by: Maiku_Ando on September 09, 2010, 02:14:37 am
I tried my Wandering Star UMD but its refusing to play.
I have the ISO mode set to normal, and tried version.txt set to 5.50. I even tried different combinations of the iso driver mode.

Game starts, goes to main menu and when I try to do anything it loads for a bit, then just drops me back to the main menu again :(

Slightly off topic, but I also got the UK release of Valkeria Chronicles II today, it comes with a requirement for version 6.20 OFW. Which is total rubbish because i have the Japanese iso running on my gen 5.50 fine. Version.txt gets past the check, it tries to load but then drops out with an error number. :(
Title: Re: I am completely new to playing this game, help?
Post by: BT2 on September 09, 2010, 10:59:33 am
Perhaps I should've mentioned this earlier but iM@S SP has a couple of security checks CFW makers never bothered disabling.
The regular version of the games run just fine if you rip the UMD to an ISO and modify two certain files.

With Download+ NBGI forced you to use an UMD but because you can't just simply run the modified files from your memorystick and the UMD at the same time some Japanese anons hacked a CWCheat code that lets you bypass said check and lets you boot the game correctly.
Because there're two different versions of Download+, one with a certain feature that lets you play around with the iM@S models and one with that feature removed, and because I don't know if you have the JP or Asian version of D+, I'd recommend you get said cheat plug-in, start the thing in-game and look for the Download+ game ID at the top or simply copy the ID from your game folder and look for said ID in google.

As for the Valkyria thing, current CFW's can't run newer UMD's because the PSP doesn't really understand the UMD due to its out-dated PRX'es.
Some chinese hackers made a certain thing that allows you to play newer games, but involves messing around with ISO's.
Title: Re: I am completely new to playing this game, help?
Post by: Maiku_Ando on September 11, 2010, 05:09:35 am
Well after some long thinking, I decided to put OFW back on it, so its now got 6.30 on it. Im@s plays great, with download+ and the (free) DLC, and also Valkeria 2 works fine as well. I was getting quite irritated with having to add in hack after hack to make stuff sort of work, not having remote joy is a bit of a shame but the graphics quality isn't great on SP anyway.

I do still have the upcoming issue of switching PSN accounts, however I may try using 2 memory cards, 1 for each region. Play imas on asia region. remove mem card. remove psn account, add in other psn account. add in second mem card. My theory being if the dlc is not in there when the account is switched it wont know/loose a switch out of the 5. If that fails then one of the games will simply not get any DLC buys.