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THE iDOLM@STER => THE iDOLM@STER Platinum Stars => Topic started by: Naryoril on August 04, 2016, 12:07:40 pm

Title: Scoring mechanics and strategies
Post by: Naryoril on August 04, 2016, 12:07:40 pm
I have completely overhauled the text from this post, added new information and sections and posted it as FAQ on GameFAQs.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps4/730583-the-idolmster-platinum-stars/faqs/74300 (http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps4/730583-the-idolmster-platinum-stars/faqs/74300)
I'll try to keep the GameFAQs version up to date when things change (such as new skills becoming available or old skills on new slots).

But for consistencies sake, i'll keep the old text here:

I want to write down all the stuff i have found so far about scoring. I have written it down for myself so far, but posting it here will allow more people to benefit from it, and others can help me fill out the gaps i still have. So if you have anything to add, please do so.
This should also give us a base for discussions.

Normal Appeals
The score of normal appeals is more or less constant for all songs, there are some differences though. This means: the more notes a song has, the lower the score per appeal. I do not know if this factors in the double score from double notes (where you have to press 2 buttons) and the double score from the burst. It also means that the song or difficulty doesn't matter (much) for this part of the score.

The number of points you get for a normal appeal is linear to your unit's appeal. So if you increase your unit's appeal by 50%, the points you get from normal appeals also increases by 50%

If the event has a special type (idol, shiny star, kirakira girl, heartful lady and genki musume), wearing a costume with that type doubles the points gained from normal appeals.

The special types on some of the DL live costumes also count as the corresponding "normal" type. For example charming lady also counts as heartful lady, but not the other way around, or trickster counts as shiny star.

There is also a factor for the score depending on your timing:
Bad: 0 (you don't get any points for a bad)
Normal: 0.5
Good: 0.75
Perfect: 1

Burst Appeals/Extreme Burst
Once per song there is an opportunity for an extreme burst. The score for the burst itself works off the unit's burst score. While the burst animation is running, all appeals give double score. After the animation has ended, this bonus stays intact, as long as you get perfects or goods.

The score of the burst appeal is multiplied depending on the type of burst you perform (and then rounded down). There might also be more burst types (such as solo 1, trio 4 or quintet 2), but i don't have them on my costumes:
No burst skill: 2
Solo Burst 2: 6
Solo Burst 3: 8
Duo Burst 1: 4
Duo Burst 2: 4.5
Duo Burst 3: 5
Duo Burst 4: 5.5
Duo Burst 5: 6
Trio Burst 1: 6
Trio Burst 2: 6.5
Trio Burst 3: 7
Quintet Burst 1: 10

To perform a certain type of burst you need a costume with the corresponding skill.
For duo bursts you also need an accessory (typically head) with the skill charge lvl 1
For trio bursts you need charge lvl 1 AND charge lvl 2 (typically hands)
For quintet bursts and solo burst you need charge lvl 1 AND charge lvl 2 AND charge lvl 3 (typically legs). At the beginning of the game you get a head piece which has all 3 charge levels in one item.

Omoide Appeals
The base score for these is exactly the your unit's omoide score. It is then multiplied by a factor depending on the type of appeal:
Solo: 1
Duo: 1.5
Trio: 2
Quintet: 3

To perform duo omoide appeals you need an accessory with the drive duo skill (usually body)
To perform trio omoide appeals you need an accessory with the drive duo AND another one with the drive trio skill (usually legs).
For omoide quintet appeals you also need the drive quintet skill on top of it, it's quite rare and on costumes.

The first omoide appeal is always a solo, the next is a duo if you have the corresponding skill and the next is a trio if you have the skill. If you don't have the corresponding skill it starts over (so it's solo, duo, solo, duo, solo...) or (solo, duo, trio, solo, duo...)

For events which also require the correct costume image (cute, cool, clever and cosmic), having the correct costume image multiplies the omoide score by 3. These events appear at A rank.

If you have 5, 6 or 7 omoide appeals, including costume bonus, the last omoide appeal will be in the burst bonus section, if you didn't screw up your burst by getting a normal before it. If you have 8 omoide appeals, the last 2 omoide appeals will be in the burst bonus section. The score of these appeals is doubled as for any other appeal.

So on an event with an image type doing a duo omoide appeal on the 5th appeal will give you: omoide score * 1.5 (duo) * 2 (burst bonus) * 3 (image type) = omoide score * 9

So here is a table of the total factor you get over the course of a song. If there are more than 5 omoide appeals, the last is counted double, with 8 appeals the last 2 are counted double. The costume image bonus is not factored in (which means these factors must be multiplied by 3 if it is an event with a costume image):

#Omoide Appeals   Without skill   With duo drive   With trio driveWith quintet drive
11111
222.52.52.5
333.54.54.5
4455.57.5
5678.59.5
6791111.5
789.51114
81012.51420

Chain Bonus
Every 10 notes you chain (normal, good or perfect) you get an extra bonus for your score. The base bonus is 50, and for every rank your song gains it increases by 25, up to a maximum of 275. For the more mathematically inclined the chain bonus is 25 * (1 + song rank)
The main difference in scoring potential between songs and difficulties comes from the chain bonus, the more notes a song has, the more chain bonus points you can get.
There are accessories which increase the chain bonus. Not counting DL live rewards there are 50 and 100 point variants, and they are all on the leg slot on which they compete with drive trio (trio omoide appeals) which is also only available on the leg slot, so you can't have both at once.
The DL lives changed this though. The 4th event of the ちょっぴり大人な気分 DL live rewards you with a leg slot accessory with chain bonus 150, and the first (or maybe the second) event of the いつまでもkのままで DL live gves you an accessory with 100 chain bonus on the arm slot, and thus freeing up the leg slot for drive trio. In combination with the F rank tiara on the head slot you can still keep the charge level 2 which is usually on the arm slot to enable trio (and even quintet) bursts.


Song note numbers
Because of the chain bonus, the number of notes in a song is important.
SongDebut    Regular   Pro      Master
Happy!113149221260
The live kakumei de show!129168249300
The Idolm@ster130157253317
my song81113159270
Watashi wa Idol114155249264
Go my way!94135217277
Honey heartbeat99130157259
Kimi channel92124217251
Ready!!82139207297
Change!!!!121145211266
Jibun Rest@rt121157246301
99 nights82125209267
Visionary125165254308
edeN116148202226
Vault that Borderline!99144200249
Nanioro Button90111150211
Kiramekirari109162218358
Ippai ippai105140205256
Kirakira ippai way medley138182256372
The Happy Live medley159207285358


Original post:
I think a topic where we discuss what to do to get a high score won't hurt. I'm not at a point yet where i can really contribute, but what are your findings?

What are good skills or skill combinations for scoring? What should you focus on in lessons to boost your scores? Questions such as that.

The only thing i can say is that the difference whether you use the correct costume type or not is huge. I tested it with the preorder (or maybe it was because of the limited edition) costume, which is C rank and much better than the other costumes i have. The preorder costume has much better stats and skills, but i scored way lower than when using the correct type of costume, in fact i even failed that live with the preorder costume.



Title: Re: Scoring "strategies"
Post by: Rin on August 04, 2016, 06:08:50 pm
Well, for starters, as I said in the gameplay topic you'll find it's sometimes worth it to use outfits that have a higher rank than the ones your idols don't currently suffer a penalty from using, as long as the over-ranked one shares the type as the outfit that you would use for a specific live. The higher appeal you get can still outweigh that of the lower-ranked outfit even after the appeal drop, which is calculated in the difference between outfits when you compare, so there's no guessing.

As for abilities, when running Master difficulty, I really enjoy Chain Combo. Every ten successive notes, you get extra points which is really useful on the fast-paced button mashing you have to do, once you get the hang of it. Kiramekirari has one of the highest, if not the highest, note numbers of all the songs, so you can see how it'd be worth having. If you're just running Pro then you may consider going all in with a Chain Combo accessory and using the outfit Wrapping My Heart(or Miracle Dancehall, if you've bought it), since it has the Chain Complete ability which nets an additional 2k points at the end of a song, provided you don't miss a single note. Lastly, if you're going for Duo, Trio, or Quintet Bursts, then I'd suggest the F rank tiara that gives all three Charge levels, even if its appeal is probably lower than what you'd like to see past a certain point.
Title: Re: Scoring "strategies"
Post by: Naryoril on August 04, 2016, 07:16:34 pm
what does the charge level mean anyway? i noticed the tiara has this skill, but i have no idea what it means

as for song choice: i just looked through the leaderboard, and the song with the highest score is jibun restart, followed by live kakumei de show and ready
Title: Re: Scoring "strategies"
Post by: Rin on August 04, 2016, 08:17:20 pm
So there's a sort of 'system' for Charge levels. To benefit from say, rank 2, you need to have an accessory that has rank 1, in addition to one that has rank 2, and the same applies for rank 3. Those abilities are only on accessories. Once you have the possible Charge level you want, you'll then need to choose the outfit that has the type of Burst you want, as in duo or quintet. Charge levels are acquired during lives by performing memory appeals, and consumed when you use your Burst.

There's a bit of a crazy thing you can do in quintet lives. If you have the right outfit(a Cute B rank one) and use that tiara, it's possible to earn a TON of points just by using your Burst alone. Whatever your quintet's total Burst stat is, it gives you 10 times that number if you use that outfit and have Charge level 3 by the time you go to Burst. You can't use the quintet Burst without a level 3 Charge though.

I should mention, you don't necessarily need to use the F rank tiara, in my opinion it's just best to do so since it has all three Charge levels and it's only one accessory. You can use the accessories that each have one rank of Charge, but I don't think it's worth it since you could use those accessory slots for more Appeal, Burst, or Chain Bonuses.
Title: Re: Scoring "strategies"
Post by: Nakiame on August 04, 2016, 08:23:06 pm
as for song choice: i just looked through the leaderboard, and the song with the highest score is jibun restart, followed by live kakumei de show and ready

Jibun Restart, Kakumei de Show and Ready are all quintet 300-notes songs, so they are the best ones, yeah.
For trio or solo lives the best are:
1. Kiramekirari - 358 notes.
2. I want - 345 notes. (This one is a bit harder than any other song in game)
3. The Idolm@ster - 317 notes.
(numbers include hearts used, so the actual number is a couple notes less)
Title: Re: Scoring "strategies"
Post by: Naryoril on August 04, 2016, 09:11:15 pm
So there's a sort of 'system' for Charge levels. To benefit from say, rank 2, you need to have an accessory that has rank 1, in addition to one that has rank 2, and the same applies for rank 3. Those abilities are only on accessories. Once you have the possible Charge level you want, you'll then need to choose the outfit that has the type of Burst you want, as in duo or quintet. Charge levels are acquired during lives by performing memory appeals, and consumed when you use your Burst.

Let's see if i understood this correctly:
The Costume that came as preorder (or limited edtion) bonus has the skill Duo Burst 3. This skill only really works, when i have the charge level skills for level 1, 2 and 3 from accessories AND i must have used 3 memories in a live before the burst. Although it leads to a duo burst with just 2 memories.
Title: Re: Scoring "strategies"
Post by: Nakiame on August 04, 2016, 09:23:16 pm
Let's see if i understood this correctly:
The Costume that came as preorder (or limited edtion) bonus has the skill Duo Burst 3. This skill only really works, when i have the charge level skills for level 1, 2 and 3 from accessories AND i must have used 3 memories in a live before the burst. Although it leads to a duo burst with just 2 memories.
No, for duo burst you need only Charge level 1 skill and one memory used.
Title: Re: Scoring "strategies"
Post by: Naryoril on August 04, 2016, 09:33:56 pm
No, for duo burst you need only Charge level 1 skill and one memory used.

And the 3 (it's duo burst 3) just means the strenght of the duo burst then?
Title: Re: Scoring "strategies"
Post by: Rin on August 04, 2016, 09:42:04 pm
Let's see if i understood this correctly:
The Costume that came as preorder (or limited edtion) bonus has the skill Duo Burst 3. This skill only really works, when i have the charge level skills for level 1, 2 and 3 from accessories AND i must have used 3 memories in a live before the burst. Although it leads to a duo burst with just 2 memories.

Allow me to clarify. One memory appeal equals one Charge level. Charge level one is for Duo Bursts, Charge level two is for Trio Bursts, and Charge level 3 is for quintet Bursts. That is to say you won't be able to perform a multi-idol Burst without the corresponding Charge level and it'll be defaulted to a solo Burst, and you need won't Charge level 3 if you're using an outfit that only allows for Duo or Trio Bursts since having Charge level 3 available is redundant with an outfit that doesn't require all three. So I realize now that you should really only use the tiara when going for Quintet Bursts. Sorry for not covering that earlier.
Title: Re: Scoring "strategies"
Post by: Byuusan on August 04, 2016, 11:33:16 pm
Is there an accessory with just charge 1 and 2?

Atm i am using the tiara for the full 3 level but i don't have an outfit for a quinlet burst to start with?
Title: Re: Scoring "strategies"
Post by: Nakiame on August 05, 2016, 02:08:33 am
So with DL live's 57k target score in mind you have to farm (in order from most to least important):
1. Kiramekirari up to lvl 10.
2. Burst/omoide for 3 idols to rank 15-20.
3. Your Leader to rank A if you have anything of rank A equipped.
4. 3 idols to lvl ~55-60. (you'll need like ~15 levels from now on to affect you score at all, so max out other things first and try)

If you are not the best rhythm-game player (as i am), buy "Target Support Z" item from ingame shop and use it to full combo Kiramekirari on Master.
Title: Re: Scoring "strategies"
Post by: Byuusan on August 05, 2016, 06:23:41 pm
I don't think it has to be Kiramekirari. It definately one of the go-to songs since forever, but i think other high-pace songs should suffice as well.
Title: Re: Scoring "strategies"
Post by: Reikuo on August 05, 2016, 09:34:45 pm
It can be done on pro with 3 idols at 55-60
Title: Re: Scoring "strategies"
Post by: Nakiame on August 06, 2016, 07:41:09 am
It can be done on pro with 3 idols at 55-60
If you have 5 hearts, yeah. That's where you get your ~2k score you loose from dropping the difficulty.
Title: Re: Scoring mechanics and strategies
Post by: Naryoril on August 14, 2016, 12:52:06 pm
I "updated" the first post to contain all the mechanics around scoring i have found out so far. There are a lot of gaps (mostly burst multipliers and song note numbers), so if you know any of them, please post it here and i'll edit them in.

It should also give us a better base to discuss scoring strategies
Title: Re: Scoring mechanics and strategies
Post by: Naryoril on August 14, 2016, 01:43:42 pm
Added a table to compare duo and trio drive (and no skill)

The problem here is that the trio drive skill is on the leg slot, as is the combo bonus 100, at least i haven't seen either on a different slot. So you have to choose between combo bonus and trio omoide appeals.
Assuming a song with 300 notes, you get 3000 points out of the chain bonus 100 skill. To get the same amount of points you need an omoide score of 3000 / 1.5 = 2000 if you have 5 omoide appeals at your disposal, and even more for less than 5 omoide appeals. The drive trio gets more interesting on an event with a given image type, since the omoide score is tripled. So to beat the chain bonus 100 on a 300 notes song you need 3000 / (1.5 * 3) = 666.66, which is still quite a tall order for trio lives, but it probably will be beaten by the end.

If you are really going for a high score in a trio live, which means using kiramekirari you need 2334 omoide in a normal case, and 778 with an image type.

Depending on how more than 5 omoide appeals are handled, getting more than 5 appeals could have a huge impact on this comparison though.
Title: Re: Scoring mechanics and strategies
Post by: Reikuo on August 14, 2016, 07:19:09 pm
If you are really going for a high score in a trio live, which means using kiramekirari you need 2334 omoide in a normal case, and 778 with an image type.

Depending on how more than 5 omoide appeals are handled, getting more than 5 appeals could have a huge impact on this comparison though.
Its nice to have the 100 points per 10 notes if your idols have no training, are low levels, and your outfits and accessories suck. Late game I think the appeals are better, they have been each time I tested it but thats also not using kiramekirari. Unless your going for high score for fun I dont see the point in tunneling into this song. I have everyone A rank with all jobs complete and I have only ever used pro with the songs I felt like hearing at the time. My only rank 10 is Happy.
Title: Re: Scoring mechanics and strategies
Post by: Naryoril on August 14, 2016, 07:36:04 pm
well, it lets you complete/challenge events at a lower level. If you have everyone at A rank, then you have already spent a lot of time with the game and have the corresponding levels and equipment. I only have 3 idols on A rank and on lvl 50 to 55 so far. If i want to beat the DL live for example, i'll have to use everything at my disposal. Of course, i can also grind several hours to compensate for that, and i probably will in the end anyway since i'd like to get the platinum trophy.  I just mentioned kiramekirari because it's the song with the highest note count, and it's scoring potential due to combos is 1100 points higher than any other non DLC song, 1500 with chain bonus 100. To compensate for that you need 71 more omoide for example (in a song with an image type, 5 memories and duo omoide appeal), or 230 burst (assuming you use a costume with trio burst 3, more otherwise).

If your grinded enough to beat everything anyway, of course there is no point in trying to get the best out of your idols.
Title: Re: Scoring mechanics and strategies
Post by: Reikuo on August 14, 2016, 08:15:50 pm
If your grinded enough to beat everything anyway, of course there is no point in trying to get the best out of your idols.
If your struggling to beat the DL live at those levels something is off. Especially if you have 5 hearts.
Title: Re: Scoring mechanics and strategies
Post by: Naryoril on August 14, 2016, 08:31:30 pm
I don't have 5 hearts. And i haven't invested in lessons yet and haven't used burst cookies and omoide candles, which means i only have burst and omoide on lvl 15, and that not even on all 3 idols.
Title: Re: Scoring mechanics and strategies
Post by: Rin on August 14, 2016, 11:04:25 pm
The problem here is that the trio drive skill is on the leg slot, as is the combo bonus 100, at least i haven't seen either on a different slot. So you have to choose between combo bonus and trio omoide appeals.
They are DLC, but the head accessory Stardrop Earrings have Drive Trio. They are also only C rank with just 18 Appeal but it could still be worth it, if you've purchased them.
Title: Re: Scoring mechanics and strategies
Post by: Naryoril on August 15, 2016, 12:04:36 am
They are DLC, but the head accessory Stardrop Earrings have Drive Trio. They are also only C rank with just 18 Appeal but it could still be worth it, if you've purchased them.

Yeah i saw them. But i haven't seen charge level 1 on anything but the head piece. maybe there is an item i don't have yet, but so far using that item for the drive trio would lock me out of using anything but solo bursts. I haven't crunched the numbers, but my guess is you will need even more omoide to make that worth it than for replacing the combo bonus item. It's a different story if you can get charge level 1 on an arm piece though (i have only seen drive duo on body pieces, so that slot is also locked).
Title: Re: Scoring mechanics and strategies
Post by: HolyAarom on August 15, 2016, 11:02:01 am
Gonna be a long while until I get "My Song" and "Kimi Channel." I don't have the DLC, so it's not in here.

https://imgur.com/a/dEHlw

SongDebut    Regular   Pro      Master
Happy!113149221260
The live kakumei de show!129168249300
Ready!!82139207297
Change!!!!121145211266
Jibun Rest@rt121157246301
99 nights82125209267
The Idolm@ster130157253317
my song??159270
Go my way!94135217277
Kimi channel??217251
Visionary125165254308
edeN116148202226
Vault that Borderline!99144200249
Nanioro Button90111150211
Kiramekirari109162218358
Ippai ippai105140205256
Honey heartbeat99130157259
Watashi wa Idol114155249264
Kirakira ippai way medley138182256372
The Happy Live medley159207285358

To perform trio omoide appeals you need an accessory with the drive trio skill (usually legs). I'm not sure if you ALSO need drive duo, but i'd assume so.

Can confirm that you need duo to get trio to work. I tried a live without duo and I just kept getting solo appeals over and over.
Title: Re: Scoring mechanics and strategies
Post by: Naryoril on August 15, 2016, 11:43:06 am
cool, thx for the help Aarom. I have My Song and Kimi Channel, so i can fill these out. I don't have Honey Heartbeat and Watashi wa idol, and yeah, it's gonna be a while until i get them... So i really needed the help there.

And tbh i wasn't motivated to do all the songs on debut and regular, but since only two songs are missing to completion of the non DLC songs, i'm going to fill them out.
Title: Re: Scoring mechanics and strategies
Post by: Naryoril on August 15, 2016, 10:42:13 pm
i finally got Yukiho to 5 hearts, and due to that the S rank costume from the DL event with +3 omoide appeals. With this i could test out what happens with 6 to 8 memory appeals. Between 5 and 7 the last one is in the burst section, with 8 the last 2 are in the burst section. Interestingly enough this doesn't change much in the drive duo vs drive trio comparison. The gap between them is the same for 5, 7 and 8 hearts (1.5 times the omoide score), and a bit better with 6 omoide appeals (2 times the omoide score). Now if there was a way to get 9 omoide appeals, and assuming it's still the last 2 in the burst section, the gap would widen to 13.5 vs 17, so 3.5 times the omoide score.

On the other hand, with more than 5 omoide appeals the gap between the number of idols appealing gets larger, so it's better for omoide rank farming if you don't need all the score you can get.
Title: Re: Scoring mechanics and strategies
Post by: Reikuo on August 28, 2016, 12:49:04 am
Does anyone have any tips for utilizing the track suit? (+50% fans)
Title: Re: Scoring mechanics and strategies
Post by: Hime Idol on August 28, 2016, 04:22:49 am
Does anyone have any tips for utilizing the track suit? (+50% fans)

Use it for the All Star lives that you can easily clear as you'll take a huge appeal cut in using the track suit and you will only be able to do a solo burst with it. Also use the glowing glasses accessory (it's either +10% or +15% fans).

I currently use the track suit and the glowing glasses accessory for the S-Ranked All Star lives to get about 69,000 fans per idol in one shot.
Title: Re: Scoring mechanics and strategies
Post by: Rin on August 28, 2016, 05:41:35 am
Use it for the All Star lives that you can easily clear as you'll take a huge appeal cut in using the track suit and you will only be able to do a solo burst with it. Also use the glowing glasses accessory (it's either +10% or +15% fans).

I currently use the track suit and the glowing glasses accessory for the S-Ranked All Star lives to get about 69,000 fans per idol in one shot.

Boosts to fans, money, and experience from outfits/accessories don't stack. If you have the Camp Wear outfit, definitely use it, but don't use the glasses if you have another accessory that would work better overall.
Title: Re: Scoring mechanics and strategies
Post by: Naryoril on September 12, 2016, 12:25:27 pm
I got a costume with solo burst 2, so i added it. It gives you the same amount of points as trio burst 1, but requires charge lvl 3 and only gives 1 idol a burst use towards burst rank ups.
Title: Re: Scoring mechanics and strategies
Post by: Naryoril on December 15, 2016, 08:44:43 pm
After getting Mami to S rank i got my hands on a costume with the drive quintet skills and the resulting score is quite crazy. A quintet omoide appeal gives 3 times the omoide value in points. Since a quintet is every 4th appeal, having 8 omoide appeals means you'll have the score of a trio and a quintet omoide appeal doubled in the burst section (appeals number 7 and 8). Couple that with an event with a costume image and the score of your final omoide appeal is the omoide value multiplied by 18, in my case 22'770 points, preceded by an appeal of 15'180 points....
Title: Re: Scoring mechanics and strategies
Post by: Naryoril on January 05, 2017, 11:06:47 am
I have completely rewritten the information from the first post in this thread, added new information regarding normal appeals and added a lot of tips and considerations about scoring and posted it as a FAQ on GameFAQs

http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps4/730583-the-idolmster-platinum-stars/faqs/74300 (http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps4/730583-the-idolmster-platinum-stars/faqs/74300)

I'd be happy about comments on how to improve that FAQ.