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THE iDOLM@STER => THE iDOLM@STER ONE FOR ALL => Topic started by: Setsuna on May 24, 2014, 10:29:13 am

Title: Seeking assistance - Trying to figure out the specific requirements.
Post by: Setsuna on May 24, 2014, 10:29:13 am
http://lwp.jp/im6/campaign/static/im6/receipt/

I'm having trouble understanding the requirements for Step 4. Or more accurately, I think I'm reading it right, but the requirement strikes me as absurd. (They POST a confirmation to you via the post office?)

If anyone is in Japan at the moment, and is willing to help carry this out, please let me know (Not likely, but you know...)

The only thing I actually want is the ability to enter the last prize, which is the DLC code for the Mami/Ami Lawson Puppets. I was thinking two im@s green teas would be enough for a decent shot.

It's for very specific purposes, of course.
Title: Re: Seeking assistance - Trying to figure out the specific requirements.
Post by: DJStarstryker on May 25, 2014, 05:39:19 am
No, it has nothing to do with the post office. It's saying basically that you have to make an account to track your points. When you register for an account, they'll send you an email. You have to reply back with an email with a blank body to verify your account.

I live in Japan. Lawson's is literally right across the street from my house. If you need help with registration or want me to buy green teas for you, let me know. I don't have One for All yet and even if I buy it, I have no interest in that DLC.
Title: Re: Seeking assistance - Trying to figure out the specific requirements.
Post by: Byuusan on May 25, 2014, 05:59:18 am
No, it has nothing to do with the post office. It's saying basically that you have to make an account to track your points. When you register for an account, they'll send you an email. You have to reply back with an email with a blank body to verify your account.

I live in Japan. Lawson's is literally right across the street from my house. If you need help with registration or want me to buy green teas for you, let me know. I don't have One for All yet and even if I buy it, I have no interest in that DLC.

This, atm im trying to get my friend to do this for us, and he's.... being very uncooperative, if you can do this that would be a great help.
Title: Re: Seeking assistance - Trying to figure out the specific requirements.
Post by: Setsuna on May 25, 2014, 06:25:53 am
No, it has nothing to do with the post office. It's saying basically that you have to make an account to track your points. When you register for an account, they'll send you an email. You have to reply back with an email with a blank body to verify your account.

I live in Japan. Lawson's is literally right across the street from my house. If you need help with registration or want me to buy green teas for you, let me know. I don't have One for All yet and even if I buy it, I have no interest in that DLC.

Thanks. I've sent a PM and we can talk about what you need from me in there.

I appreciate it, since this helps my chances of fully compiling the im@s OfA compendium fully.
Title: Re: Seeking assistance - Trying to figure out the specific requirements.
Post by: DJStarstryker on May 28, 2014, 10:17:56 am
OK, sorry for the delay guys. Been a little busy the past few days. I bought some green teas yesterday and tried to redeem the code on the receipt today to see how it worked. I bought 3 green teas (Chihaya, Takane, and Hibiki!) and it gave me 3 codes. I tried to redeem all 3 for the DLC. I figured if I won a code (or more than one), then I could offer it/them to people here that have the game. The way it works is it shows this animation of one of those Japanese lottery wheels, with the colored ball that comes out to tell you if you'll win or not. The problem is, you're not guaranteed a win it seems, even with multiples. I lost on all 3.

I'm actually really shocked at losing on all 3. I have no idea what the probability of winning on this thing is. I figured the chances were high of getting at least 1 code out of the 3 tries because 10,000 codes are going to be given out.
Title: Re: Seeking assistance - Trying to figure out the specific requirements.
Post by: Setsuna on May 28, 2014, 11:55:16 am
... Okay, this might be proven harder than I first thought.

Is this going to be one of those things where we'll have to fuel a drinking habit until we turn one of them up?

On the bright side, at least we know we don't have to sit around and wait until later on in the promotion to determine if we got it or not though.

I'm still game to try. The odds shouldn't be THAT bad...
Title: Re: Seeking assistance - Trying to figure out the specific requirements.
Post by: Magica on May 28, 2014, 02:03:08 pm
I'm currently in Japan so if you would still like some assistance, I can try for the DLC code too.
Title: Re: Seeking assistance - Trying to figure out the specific requirements.
Post by: Setsuna on May 28, 2014, 02:47:26 pm
For the record, I'm old enough to know that I shouldn't say this, but I'm also old enough that I need to taunt Murphy on principle.

Sure, I'll take all the help I can get, considering getting a lousy DLC code to add to the compendium seems to be evading us at the moment.

How hard could it possibly be? (tm)

On a more serious note, I'd take all the help I can get, although I'd honestly like to pay for all these drinks. I just hope it doesn't shoot into the tens of thousands of yen.

If for no other reason than 'Just how in hell is anyone supposed to win any of the better prizes, anyway?'

Although if it DOES shoot out to that much, I'm going to write a STORY about this.

By the way, how much are we down so far cost wise? Let's start doing some accounting.
Title: Re: Seeking assistance - Trying to figure out the specific requirements.
Post by: Okayu on May 28, 2014, 05:38:59 pm
Just so you know the Ami Mami item appears to be in game, the only difference is the lawson version has them wearing lawson outfits.
(http://i.imgur.com/klJpXU0.jpg)
Title: Re: Seeking assistance - Trying to figure out the specific requirements.
Post by: Setsuna on May 28, 2014, 06:21:41 pm
I'm fully aware - I unlocked all the items when I finished my OfA run earlier.

This is strictly for im@s compendium purposes. I like not having gaps, and I know exactly what I'm asking for, and why.
Title: Re: Seeking assistance - Trying to figure out the specific requirements.
Post by: DJStarstryker on May 29, 2014, 08:36:20 am
Roger that!  It sounds like you want to get this DLC for the compendium in any way possible, and are willing to try until we succeed.  I can work with that - at least until the Lawson needs more teas. ;)

It is possible to get points for this campaign by buying a variety of other goods (specifically marked).  The tea bottles seem to be the most cost-effective in terms of codes-for-the-yen though (at least that I have seen so far), which is why I suggested we start there.  Not to mention green tea is awesome ^_^.

The teas are 129 yen each, and we've had three tries, which makes the total investment so far 387 yen.  I'm saving the receipts so it will be possible to provide detailed accounting if needed.
Title: Re: Seeking assistance - Trying to figure out the specific requirements.
Post by: Setsuna on May 29, 2014, 08:51:23 am
Roger that!  It sounds like you want to get this DLC for the compendium in any way possible, and are willing to try until we succeed.  I can work with that - at least until the Lawson needs more teas. ;)

It is possible to get points for this campaign by buying a variety of other goods (specifically marked).  The tea bottles seem to be the most cost-effective in terms of codes-for-the-yen though (at least that I have seen so far), which is why I suggested we start there.  Not to mention green tea is awesome ^_^.

The teas are 129 yen each, and we've had three tries, which makes the total investment so far 387 yen.  I'm saving the receipts so it will be possible to provide detailed accounting if needed.

I'll preauthorise (Namely, I won't ask any questions, just point me in the direction of where to send the money to you) about spending up to 1548 yen. (That's 12 green tea, and we're 3 down so far.)

I figured if we can't get it in another 9 shots, we've got a story on our hands while I start doing math on our chances, and I get to tell another sad tale about the lengths I go to just to catalog everything.

If you end up getting a second one, I've got an idea what to do with it though...
Title: Re: Seeking assistance - Trying to figure out the specific requirements.
Post by: DJStarstryker on May 29, 2014, 10:33:25 am
I'll preauthorise (Namely, I won't ask any questions, just point me in the direction of where to send the money to you) about spending up to 1548 yen. (That's 12 green tea, and we're 3 down so far.)

Sounds good.  I'll PM you more details later on once we conclude the project with a success or a give.

For now I picked up another 8 bottles, for 1032 yen.  This means we now have the whole cast except for Miki, whose bottle they were out of.  I'll try again to pick up that one last authorized bottle another day if we need it.  (so currently: 11 out of 12).

When I got home, I tried four times out of the eight and lost on all.  For now I'm going to bank the remaining four tries we have and spend them a little later, trying different days and times of day.  I have no idea what the algorithm behind winning this thing is, so changing the time of spinning the garapon may or may not help.... but it certainly can't hurt.
Title: Re: Seeking assistance - Trying to figure out the specific requirements.
Post by: Setsuna on May 29, 2014, 11:47:16 am
Sounds good.  I'll PM you more details later on once we conclude the project with a success or a give.

For now I picked up another 8 bottles, for 1032 yen.  This means we now have the whole cast except for Miki, whose bottle they were out of.  I'll try again to pick up that one last authorized bottle another day if we need it.  (so currently: 11 out of 12).

When I got home, I tried four times out of the eight and lost on all.  For now I'm going to bank the remaining four tries we have and spend them a little later, trying different days and times of day.  I have no idea what the algorithm behind winning this thing is, so changing the time of spinning the garapon may or may not help.... but it certainly can't hurt.

For further fun, you need like

Okay, so if we assume 12 rolls gives enough for a 50% of scoring at least 1...

We're looking at a win rate of roughly 5% per single item, and that's assuming 12 gives a 50/50 chance of scoring 1.

Yep, long odds are fun odds. At 1500ish hundred yen, that's 30 AUD, which is a bit excessive, but I can deal.

The sad part is, I suspect those odds are WAY too high. I get the feeling the win rate on any given spin is 1%, meaning that you have a 12% chance of scoring 1 DLC code with 12 spins of the lottery.

(For calculations, I'm assuming the reverse position (namely the percentage you don't score) and calculating the single route where you fail every time)

The fun part is if you assume that these are the odds across the board.

You'd be buying green tea by the boxes to get enough for 12 tries for the concert. (You'd need 240 green tea for 12 attempts)

That's like 15000 yen, and that only guarantees you anything from under 50% to 12% (At 1% chance per roll) or just 2% (at 0.1% chance per roll) to try and win the grand prize.


The fun part is if you assume a 0.1% chance per roll - Getting 3 times the 240 green tea (Drink it 3 times a day for like 9 months) in points would only just over double your chances (to 4%) of winning.

I'm pretty sure at 48000ish yen, you might as well buy concert tickets yourself. :P
Title: Re: Seeking assistance - Trying to figure out the specific requirements.
Post by: DJStarstryker on May 29, 2014, 12:23:43 pm
Ah, but it gets better!   The concert prize is super-exclusive and you can't simply buy tickets to this particular show.  It's being held at Shimokitazawa Garden, which is a small SMALL venue that I've actually been to before to see Kanon Wakeshima.   The 450 winners will be the entirety of the audience, and Garden is going to be jammed like a rush hour train with that many people in it.  But the benefit is that you'll get to see the seiyuu up-close and personal, and look them in the eyes during the show.  Normally iM@S shows are only held at 8,000+ person arenas (Makuhari, Saitama, etc), so this will be a very different experience for the super fans who win.

My family opened two of the teas to have with dinner.  Amusingly, there's a hidden manga drawing of the bottle's character on the inside of the label for each one.

Takane says: "After you eat ramen, follow it up with some Namacha. Huhu!"

 (Kirin Namacha is the kind of tea the girls are on)
Title: Re: Seeking assistance - Trying to figure out the specific requirements.
Post by: Setsuna on May 29, 2014, 12:44:32 pm
Ah. I'm not that swayed by star power myself, but I've had dinner with Takakashi (never get her name right) in 2009 so my perspective is skewered. It makes for a fun story in its own right though. (THAT was a lot of accidents rolled up together to take me along for the ride.)

Does sound like fun, although I wonder how much you could get if you tried to scalp the ticket. I could imagine the asking price to be in the hundred of thousands of yen. It might explain why a lot of people were reluctant to help with the request, because they were probably very focused on trying to get the tickets.

... Although doing the math, if you tripled the amount (Namely you dropped 150000 yen into green tea) assuming a 0.1% odds rate, you're only a 12% chance of scoring a win. Or basically if you bought 108*20 of them... or just over 2180 bottles.

Yeah, that might be JUST a bit overkill, cause I suspect that might be pushing the best before dates on the tea, assuming you went through 3 a day. :P

The sad part is I suspect Kirin figured out the math as quickly as I did, and figured there'd be people who are crazy enough to try, which means they're going to be making sales fast.

... I'm ALMOST tempted to ask if I can ship the bottles back for gimmick reasons, but I'm terrible with keeping empty bottles around. I'd just lose it on a train, or accidentally throw it out or something. That and surprisingly, I'm idol agnostic, and I like them as a group than having a favourite.

It's nice they did put in the effort to do all the branding though. You should take pictures.

If anyone ELSE wants to pay a shipping cost for an empty bottle, you're free to ship them off as some sort of quirky collector's item, I guess. Feel free to offer any you don't want to keep to people on the forum or something. I'm sure someone'd appreciate the cute stuff.

Ah, but it gets better!   The concert prize is super-exclusive and you can't simply buy tickets to this particular show.  It's being held at Shimokitazawa Garden, which is a small SMALL venue that I've actually been to before to see Kanon Wakeshima.   The 450 winners will be the entirety of the audience, and Garden is going to be jammed like a rush hour train with that many people in it.  But the benefit is that you'll get to see the seiyuu up-close and personal, and look them in the eyes during the show.  Normally iM@S shows are only held at 8,000+ person arenas (Makuhari, Saitama, etc), so this will be a very different experience for the super fans who win.

My family opened two of the teas to have with dinner.  Amusingly, there's a hidden manga drawing of the bottle's character on the inside of the label for each one.

Takane says: "After you eat ramen, follow it up with some Namacha. Huhu!"

 (Kirin Namacha is the kind of tea the girls are on)
Title: Re: Seeking assistance - Trying to figure out the specific requirements.
Post by: DJStarstryker on May 29, 2014, 01:15:13 pm
Ah.  If trying for a concert, one could change it up a bit.  There is a range of products you can buy at Lawson that count for the iM@S codes, so one wouldn't have to buy exclusively green teas to earn the points.  The tea is iM@S-branded so it's interesting on its own, but there are other snacks and waters that are just regular items that also earn you points towards garapon spins.  The ones that count are clearly marked on their shelf price label so there's no mistake.  I assume they're all brands that Kirin owns.  The Namacha is still the best deal I saw on spins per yen spent, so that's why I suggest the green tea for a small experiment.

I was going to keep the empty bottles if you didn't want them, maybe fill them with colored sand like my Emily the Strange Jones Soda bottles or something.  Not sure.

I considered taking the labels off - this is actually very easy to do on all Japanese drink bottles by design, for recycling purposes.  (no glue; the label goes in 'plastic' while the bottle goes in 'PET').  Unfortunately, the design geniuses put the standard little tear strip for the label right over the right half of the idol girls!  You'd need to use a utility knife to cut the label off in a different place in order to keep the picture intact.
Title: Re: Seeking assistance - Trying to figure out the specific requirements.
Post by: Setsuna on May 29, 2014, 03:00:02 pm
Well, if we were going by cheapest amount, you mention it was as cheap as it would get, and spreading it out would make it easier to consume... but it'd push it into the 'Wait, are we paying for a car?' category.

I was mostly having fun with the math (and it should show that yes, I'm very voluntarily opting into this, that and I'm an absolute sucker for probability. Most dealers at casinos get suspicious due to the fact I can calculate odds on the fly.) and it makes a decent mind game really.

For most part, I'd say you keep the bottles.

It'd probably cost you about twice again to ship it to Australia, then I'd have to explain to Australian customs what I was doing. They'd laugh eventually, but due to some of the work I do, they're actually obliged to inspect all my packages incoming, due to the fact sometimes I move restricted material (for government work) and I'm not sure if I'm in the mood to do the paperwork for a bunch of bottles before they'd release them.

I'd like some pictures, although what's most likely going to happen is we're going to fail, and I'm going to double down on the points (namely forward you the 12 that you paid for, then another 12 going forward) and ask you to cut and take pictures of the second set with a camera phone or something.

I want to know how the first 12 go down before anything though, before I commit to dropping twice that.

I just hope you don't get sick of the tea.

I figure that if nothing else, the pictures should be fun to share around and you get to keep a complete set. Spread the im@s love around the world, and stuff.


Ah.  If trying for a concert, one could change it up a bit.  There is a range of products you can buy at Lawson that count for the iM@S codes, so one wouldn't have to buy exclusively green teas to earn the points.  The tea is iM@S-branded so it's interesting on its own, but there are other snacks and waters that are just regular items that also earn you points towards garapon spins.  The ones that count are clearly marked on their shelf price label so there's no mistake.  I assume they're all brands that Kirin owns.  The Namacha is still the best deal I saw on spins per yen spent, so that's why I suggest the green tea for a small experiment.

I was going to keep the empty bottles if you didn't want them, maybe fill them with colored sand like my Emily the Strange Jones Soda bottles or something.  Not sure.

I considered taking the labels off - this is actually very easy to do on all Japanese drink bottles by design, for recycling purposes.  (no glue; the label goes in 'plastic' while the bottle goes in 'PET').  Unfortunately, the design geniuses put the standard little tear strip for the label right over the right half of the idol girls!  You'd need to use a utility knife to cut the label off in a different place in order to keep the picture intact.
Title: Re: Seeking assistance - Trying to figure out the specific requirements.
Post by: Magica on May 30, 2014, 02:36:28 pm
Sorry for the late reply, got a little sidetracked. :p

Anyway, I bought a bottle of Green tea with the Futami twins on it, redeemed the point and tried for the DLC code... And got it on the first try! So, do I PM the code to you?
Title: Re: Seeking assistance - Trying to figure out the specific requirements.
Post by: Setsuna on May 30, 2014, 05:05:59 pm
Sorry for the late reply, got a little sidetracked. :p

Anyway, I bought a bottle of Green tea with the Futami twins on it, redeemed the point and tried for the DLC code... And got it on the first try! So, do I PM the code to you?

Wow. Someone got lucky. And here I was thinking that we'd be here for another week at this.

Yes, I would appreciate it if you could.

We now have a completely DIFFERENT problem... It cost you about 129 yen for the drink right? (Unless I misremember the cost of the drink)

Um, do you still want me to reimburse the cost? The problem is the transfer cost is going to be probably about the cost of the actual drink, if not more.
Title: Re: Seeking assistance - Trying to figure out the specific requirements.
Post by: DJStarstryker on May 31, 2014, 03:27:19 am
Good news!  We won!  Finally that is, on the 9th bottle of tea.  I see someone already has PMed you a code so this news isn't quiiiiiiiite as happy as it could have been, but now we have another one.

Final stats: 11 bottles bought (all but Miki); 9 spins used; 2 spins remaining; one Ami/Mami Lawson Puppets code won.

So that you can join in vicariously, here's what the win screen looks like from Lawson's:

(http://i.imgur.com/Lkw0cdo.jpg)

Here are what the receipts look like.  The codes are already redeemed, so it doesn't matter that I take pictures of them.

(http://i.imgur.com/mgxbSL3.jpg)

Here are the teas, in a two-row formation.  They are both very wide images, so right click / view image to see the whole thing if the forum software doesn't resize it.

(http://i.imgur.com/WSGTRxf.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/98uh4Rm.jpg)

BTW, no it doesn't matter if I bought this much tea or more.  We drink it all the time here.  I think if you live in Japan it is impossible to get tired of green tea :).
Title: Re: Seeking assistance - Trying to figure out the specific requirements.
Post by: DeviantProtagonist on May 31, 2014, 03:38:54 am
Sounds like heaven. Congratulations on getting the codes.
Title: Re: Seeking assistance - Trying to figure out the specific requirements.
Post by: Magica on May 31, 2014, 04:03:57 am
I was asleep by the time Setsuna replied to me so I haven't PM'ed the code yet. :p

But you seems to have put in a lot of effort for the code so if you want to be the one to give Setsuna the code, that's okay too. I'll just find someone else to give the code too. :)

Title: Re: Seeking assistance - Trying to figure out the specific requirements.
Post by: Setsuna on May 31, 2014, 04:10:31 am
I was asleep by the time Setsuna replied to me so I haven't PM'ed the code yet. :p

But you seems to have put in a lot of effort for the code so if you want to be the one to give Setsuna the code, that's okay too. I'll just find someone else to give the code too. :)



Actually, I'd like to collect BOTH codes, because there's actually someone I know who could use it, mostly due to the fact they do a lot of request filling.

And if we somehow get lucky (I believe there's 2 more outstanding on Stryker's end) there's a use for a third as well.

Basically, there's a bit of a line of people who've been looking for the code and it'd make it all the slightly easier if more people had it so that it won't just be me.

But to be fair, it is your code, and I haven't paid for your drink, so I don't have any sort of prior agreement, so your call there. I could suggest people to give the code to though.

Regardless, I'd need to collect one right now, so I can update the compendium works we have done, to include the item in the compendium's initial release.

Oh, and I get to update the history with our little adventure into green tea drinking. Thank you both once again.
Title: Re: Seeking assistance - Trying to figure out the specific requirements.
Post by: Magica on May 31, 2014, 04:28:15 am
Actually, I do have someone in mind to give the code to if Stryker managed to win the code before me.

I don't mind trying for more codes if those people really want it though. :)
Title: Re: Seeking assistance - Trying to figure out the specific requirements.
Post by: DJStarstryker on May 31, 2014, 04:52:23 am
You're welcome, Setsuna!  It's an interesting story to be able to tell, indeed.

I've sent the info needed to reimburse for our green teas, and shall PM the code thereafter.

Once Setsuna (or whomever he gives it to) redeems that one, I'll try our last two spins to see if we get any others.  I wanted to wait just in case it checked old codes for redemption before giving out new ones.  (The rules do say "10,000 People" which implies one per person, but I don't know if that's enforced or not).
Title: Re: Seeking assistance - Trying to figure out the specific requirements.
Post by: Setsuna on May 31, 2014, 05:25:47 am
You're welcome, Setsuna!  It's an interesting story to be able to tell, indeed.

I've sent the info needed to reimburse for our green teas, and shall PM the code thereafter.

Once Setsuna (or whomever he gives it to) redeems that one, I'll try our last two spins to see if we get any others.  I wanted to wait just in case it checked old codes for redemption before giving out new ones.  (The rules do say "10,000 People" which implies one per person, but I don't know if that's enforced or not).

I actually need to wait until my friend gets home so he can arrange for the transfer of funds out. It's 1:30pm, and that's assuming I can grab him today. It may be a day or two.

I like keeping my identity private and layered, so I work through someone else to do all my stuff.

My roommate does the same, which can leave people awfully confused why someone of the opposite gender is paying for items they don't have any business paying for. But I understand operational security so I do quirky things like that.

Anyway, while I wait, I better get more work done. No rest for the wicked, or crazy, at least.
Title: Re: Seeking assistance - Trying to figure out the specific requirements.
Post by: Setsuna on June 03, 2014, 01:50:50 am
Request closed: One Lawsons puppeteer glove has been acquired. Now to add it into the compendium...
Title: Re: Seeking assistance - Trying to figure out the specific requirements.
Post by: DJStarstryker on June 03, 2014, 10:34:15 am
Yep, code successfully delivered and all is well!