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Title: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: altuixde on March 31, 2014, 07:14:13 am
Since I posted in the advice thread asking for drawing tips, I figure I should share some of what I've drawn so far. This first post consists of attempts to copy four of Mark Crilley's drawings.

Actually, the hair on one of the drawings is different because I was running out of room. ^^

(http://web.letterboxes.org/files_01/reuploaded_01/abkov.jpg)

(http://web.letterboxes.org/files_01/reuploaded_01/bpejh.jpg)

(http://web.letterboxes.org/files_01/reuploaded_01/ar1xxv.jpg)

(http://web.letterboxes.org/files_01/reuploaded_01/xlohb.jpg)

This last one is supposed to be shaded; I'll see if I can learn how to do that. And I messed up one of her earlobes. After scanning the shaded version, I'll edit that digitally. 0:)

Edit: Hopefully I'll be able to add original idolmaster fan art here eventually... otherwise this thread might be in the wrong subforum.
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: liza94 on March 31, 2014, 09:31:56 pm
Edit: Hopefully I'll be able to add original idolmaster fan art here eventually... otherwise this thread might be in the wrong subforum.

Your drawings are very beautiful! Don't worry, it says "For ALL your fanfics and doodles", so there shouldn't be any problems!
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: altuixde on March 31, 2014, 09:38:17 pm
Thanks Liza! :D I was a little worried about what everyone would think of the drawings. ^^; I have to admit, I'd be lost right now if I had to draw entirely from my own imagination instead of copying something.
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: Amazing_Grace on March 31, 2014, 09:58:00 pm
I actually really like these. Maybe it's because you ink, but it looks so clear and stands out really well. You may be copying, but the fact that it looks good is testament to your skills! Good job! :D 
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: altuixde on March 31, 2014, 10:07:59 pm
I actually really like these. Maybe it's because you ink, but it looks so clear and stands out really well. You may be copying, but the fact that it looks good is testament to your skills! Good job! :D

Arigatou! Mark Crilley actually didn't ink the drawing I copied the last one from (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWjbQV36-3I), so it was a bit of a challenge for me to get it to look right when inking it.
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: Amazing_Grace on April 01, 2014, 04:30:15 pm
Arigatou! Mark Crilley actually didn't ink the drawing I copied the last one from (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWjbQV36-3I), so it was a bit of a challenge for me to get it to look right when inking it.

That's even more impressive now that I know you had to ink it all on your own.
Except, all inking done is impressive inking in the eyes of one whose inking skills are about on par with that of an eagle.
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: altuixde on April 01, 2014, 05:06:01 pm
I don't think an eagle can even hold a marker. You can't be that bad at inking! ;) The first drawing that I inked came out terrible (I haven't uploaded it). But then I read that, when inking, you're supposed to use long strokes, maybe as few as possible, and also use the natural pivot of your wrist to ink curving lines (spinning the paper around to get the proper angles); and that really helped. I do wish I could have multiple tries at inking, though, but unfortunately markers aren't erasable.
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: Amazing_Grace on April 01, 2014, 05:23:27 pm
I do wish I could have multiple tries at inking, though, but unfortunately markers aren't erasable.

Someone should invent erasable markers. I would pay them good money for that.

In other news, I have this bad luck stroke where no matter how careful I am or how hard I try or how much attention I pay, I ALWAYS end up messing up my best drawings by inking them.
It'll be just fine at first, and then I ink, and suddenly it's not even recognizable.

That WAS good advice, though, so I'll try for sure next time I ink. :)
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: altuixde on April 01, 2014, 05:31:17 pm
Do you scan your drawings before inking them? I've taken to doing that just in case... but sometimes I forget to.
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: MetalPredat0r on April 01, 2014, 05:56:59 pm
Do you scan your drawings before inking them? I've taken to doing that just in case... but sometimes I forget to.

I always ink and color my drawings before I scan them, but then again, I ink by hand. If you use a computer program to ink, then I would ink after scanning.
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: altuixde on April 01, 2014, 06:02:49 pm
I ink by hand too, but I'm worried about ruining the drawings during the inking process. If I scan them before inking, and then mess up while inking, at least I'll still have the scan. :)
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: DeviantProtagonist on April 02, 2014, 01:20:54 am
Well, someone is certainly on their way!

The wrist thing is spot-on, too. That's about the real practical way of getting that smoothness going. Hope to see more progress from you. :3

From my end, I've taken a liking to doodling with GIMP 2. Just getting a feel for a consistent style of art and all. Marks' Mastering Manga series has been a boon for this, so maybe I'll share my own some time soon.
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: Amazing_Grace on April 02, 2014, 01:34:56 am
Do you scan your drawings before inking them? I've taken to doing that just in case... but sometimes I forget to.

When I do ink and scan, I usually just ink without scanning first. But now that you mention it, that's not a bad idea.
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: altuixde on April 02, 2014, 03:09:59 am
Hope to see more progress from you. :3

Yes, the pressure is on to keep showing improvement. ^^; But that's O.K., I know that if I put in the hours and the effort then the improvement will come... eventually. Thanks for checking out my art thread, Dean!

From my end, I've taken a liking to doodling with GIMP 2.

What input device are you using to draw on the computer? The ability to easily undo things and use layers is alluring, but the feeling of a stylus against glass or plastic isn't the same as the feeling of a pencil on paper. Must take some getting used to!

That WAS good advice, though, so I'll try for sure next time I ink. :)

When I suggested using long strokes and as few as possible when inking, I don't think I actually read that anywhere so it might be wrong. I think sometimes it's better to lift the marker, reposition the hand and paper, then continue the line where you left off. The wrist thing is definitely right, though. :)
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: Amazing_Grace on April 02, 2014, 02:42:54 pm
When I suggested using long strokes and as few as possible when inking, I don't think I actually read that anywhere so it might be wrong. I think sometimes it's better to lift the marker, reposition the hand and paper, then continue the line where you left off. The wrist thing is definitely right, though. :)

Oh, alright. I will definitely keep that in mind, thanks~. :D
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: DeviantProtagonist on April 05, 2014, 04:27:47 am
You're welcome, altuixde. Moreover...

What input device are you using to draw on the computer? The ability to easily undo things and use layers is alluring, but the feeling of a stylus against glass or plastic isn't the same as the feeling of a pencil on paper. Must take some getting used to!

Actually, I make use of exorbitant amounts of shift clicking and line pathing, both of which are basically my sketch and inking layers respectively. xD While I'm content with said methods, I've been meaning to give a try an input device. Just to see how things go in this drawing fashion~.
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: altuixde on April 05, 2014, 04:42:35 am
What's line pathing?

Speaking of drawing devices, my sister has an iPad and a (not pressure sensitive) stylus. I got to play with it for a bit and you can zoom in on the image to draw little details. The iPad's screen is smaller than an 8.5 by 11 inch sheet of paper, though, so it's confining. However, she doesn't use it primarily for drawing. I'm guessing that something made by Wacom would be a better choice for drawing, since that's what they're designed for.
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: DeviantProtagonist on April 05, 2014, 04:42:46 pm
Mm... I think the technical term is path stroking -- it's where one adds two "anchor" points to guide a line in just the right orientation, modify the width and texture of said line, then draw it with antialiasing/smoothness ie "stroke path". It's what people use for digital line art.

I didn't think there existed a stylus function for an iPad, either. Maybe I can show my mom that since she's glued to hers for the longest time. :3
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: altuixde on April 05, 2014, 05:39:47 pm
Mm... I think the technical term is path stroking -- it's where one adds two "anchor" points to guide a line in just the right orientation, modify the width and texture of said line, then draw it with antialiasing/smoothness ie "stroke path". It's what people use for digital line art.

Sounds interesting. I'd like to learn how to do that sometime. :)

I didn't think there existed a stylus function for an iPad, either. Maybe I can show my mom that since she's glued to hers for the longest time. :3

With a non pressure sensitive stylus, the iPad detects it the same way as it does a finger. The tip of the stylus has to be relatively big, because the iPad ignores anything smaller than a fingertip, and the stylus must be electrically conducting. Pressure sensitive styluses for iPad pair with the iPad through bluetooth, and the app that you're drawing with must support your particular pressure sensitive stylus. Actually, there is one iPad stylus with a small tip (http://www.adonit.net/jot/script/), but it's designed for handwriting, not drawing. The company that makes it is going to release a stylus, with the same small tip technology, for drawing; but I don't know when.
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: altuixde on April 11, 2014, 02:00:08 am
Here's another exercise from Mastering Manga:

(http://web.letterboxes.org/files_01/reuploaded_01/41819532.jpg)

When inking this I should've made the white shiny spots on the eyes big initially, and then carefully made them smaller until they looked right. Instead, I made them small initially. D'oh! I'd also like to make the wave-like posture better and clean up some of the uneven lines. Oh well. Just gotta learn from my mistakes and move on.
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: MetalPredat0r on April 11, 2014, 02:03:29 am
Here's another exercise from Mastering Manga:

(http://a.yfrog.com/img877/4761/41819532.jpg)

When inking this I should've made the white shiny spots on the eyes big initially, and then carefully made them smaller until they looked right. Instead, I made them small initially. D'oh! I'd also like to make the wave-like posture better and clean up some of the uneven lines. Oh well. Just gotta learn from my mistakes and move on.

Even with the mistakes you mentioned, this is still an amazing drawing! Well done, my friend. Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: altuixde on April 11, 2014, 02:05:02 am
Ah, thanks! :D
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: Amazing_Grace on April 11, 2014, 07:59:06 pm
I'm still impressed.
Not only can you draw heads well, but you got the chibi style down-pat and you can actually ink without messing everything up.
You've earned my respect. XD
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: altuixde on April 11, 2014, 08:37:42 pm
Thanks Grace. :)
Nevertheless, I'm worried about what I'll be able to do once I run out of exercises. The only art form I've had experience with before drawing is music (I used to play the violin). A performer usually plays music composed by other people, and it's OK to play a piece more than once. With drawing I'd like to draw characters (albeit characters created by others) in originally composed scenes and poses, and I can't draw the same things over and over. So there's some more of the composer side required in drawing, in addition to the performer side. I guess it doesn't really matter, though, because I enjoy drawing, and I'll keep drawing as long as it's fun.
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: RoninatorMarx on April 14, 2014, 01:05:25 pm
I really like your work. Seeing as you're practically new, you've really progressed so fast that's it's kinda scary. Yes, I'm actually lurking in these threads. Sometimes I feel like if I speak, I might break something...

Nevertheless, I'm worried about what I'll be able to do once I run out of exercises. The only art form I've had experience with before drawing is music (I used to play the violin). A performer usually plays music composed by other people, and it's OK to play a piece more than once. With drawing I'd like to draw characters (albeit characters created by others) in originally composed scenes and poses, and I can't draw the same things over and over. So there's some more of the composer side required in drawing, in addition to the performer side. I guess it doesn't really matter, though, because I enjoy drawing, and I'll keep drawing as long as it's fun.

Well, you can always attempt to mimic characters and poses you might find lying in the internet (The Cinderella Girls cards are a huge but still supplying source of that. lol), and can even assimilate some aspects of other people's art styles into your own, 'upgrading' your own style in the process. I find that trying to capture even just the poses of what other artists have done both challenging and enjoyable to try.

Regardless of what you do, the important thing is to enjoy drawing. It can reflect the emotion we give to it towards others, and even invoke an emotion to them.
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: altuixde on April 14, 2014, 06:17:54 pm
I feel like I've been misleading everyone, so I'm gonna come clean. Here's what the drawings look like before inking:

(http://web.letterboxes.org/files_01/reuploaded_01/py4mz.jpg)

(http://web.letterboxes.org/files_01/reuploaded_01/2afyq.jpg)

(http://web.letterboxes.org/files_01/reuploaded_01/1lgvf.jpg)

As you can see, I draw all sorts of reference points to help me. I use a ruler and a calculator so that the reference points are in the same place as they are in the drawings I've copied. I've been doing this more over time, which created the illusion of improvement. I don't deserve the praise I've been getting.
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: MetalPredat0r on April 14, 2014, 06:36:08 pm
I feel like I've been misleading everyone, so I'm gonna come clean. Here's what the drawings look like before inking:

(http://a.yfrog.com/img859/9651/py4mz.jpg)

(http://a.yfrog.com/img878/3210/2afyq.jpg)

(http://a.yfrog.com/img878/1039/1lgvf.jpg)

As you can see, I draw all sorts of reference points to help me. I use a ruler and a calculator so that the reference points are in the same place as they are in the drawings I've copied. I've been doing this more over time, which created the illusion of improvement. I don't deserve the praise I've been getting.

Ironically, this makes me respect you even further as an artist. Your sketches look very detailed and your inking looks incredibly professional. Well-done. Very well-done.
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: altuixde on April 14, 2014, 06:58:31 pm
Just so you know, the reference points are the little dots. For example, the dot on the tip of her chin and the corners of her jaw in this one:

(http://web.letterboxes.org/files_01/reuploaded_01/2afyq.jpg)

I'd never be able to draw her face properly freehand. But, thank you anyway, MetalPredat0r.

And Marx, thanks for checking out my art thread. Hopefully this revelation wasn't too much of a disappointment.
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: RoninatorMarx on April 15, 2014, 11:37:12 am
And Marx, thanks for checking out my art thread. Hopefully this revelation wasn't too much of a disappointment.

I... don't see why I should be disappointed. The sketches on their own look good. And the fact that you've applied geometry into your drawings is a great skill in itself.
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: altuixde on April 15, 2014, 06:16:23 pm
I'm glad that you don't think that the method I've been using is so bad. :)

Well, on to the next one. I'm currently working on a drawing of someone walking ("Hitting Your Stride" from Mastering Manga). I'm not sure if I'll upload it because it's mostly a study of a character in motion; her face is a little expressionless. But after I finish that I think I'll draw something that isn't from Mastering Manga.
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: Amazing_Grace on April 16, 2014, 05:26:49 pm
I'm still incredibly impressed by you despite your confession. I think everyone uses skeletons and reference points when they're still kinda starting out. Heck, I've been drawing for years (like, six of them), and I STILL use skeletons and sketch out everything.

Also your inking is perfect. I'm jelly.

So, keep up the great work! Your art is still fabulous even if you do use references!
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: altuixde on April 16, 2014, 05:59:10 pm
Thanks for your encouragement and continued interest, Grace (and everyone)! I wish I could be trained to draw simple shapes without the help of reference points. I should bring a pad of paper and a pencil with me wherever I go, and whenever I have bits of idle time I can practice drawing shapes. ;D
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: Amazing_Grace on April 16, 2014, 06:26:37 pm
Thanks for your encouragement and continued interest, Grace (and everyone)! I wish I could be trained to draw simple shapes without the help of reference points. I should bring a pad of paper and a pencil with me wherever I go, and whenever I have bits of idle time I can practice drawing shapes. ;D

You're very welcome! :3 Don't worry too much about that. Lots of people need to use reference points, so it's not like there's anything wrong with it. :3 I can't draw shapes either. :P
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: altuixde on April 29, 2014, 10:43:38 pm
I uploaded this after all:

(http://web.letterboxes.org/files_01/reuploaded_01/1jlbn.jpg)

This is my first fairly successful attempt to draw an entire (non-chibi) human. She looks kind of sleepy, or hypnotized. Since I hadn't inked in a while, I was afraid that I would mess up during the inking and I was afraid to use my wider markers. It turns out that drawing a line with a wide marker produces a smoother line than going over it multiple times with a thin marker.

Hopefully I'll be drawing more from now on. I'm not going to wait until the end of the day to start drawing, because by the end of the day I feel tired and useless and I tell myself I'll just draw the next day. Also, I bought a paperweight with a quote on it by Ben Franklin that says, "Either write something worth reading or do something worth writing." I can't write to save my life, but I can choose to do things instead of wasting time! :)
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: Amazing_Grace on April 29, 2014, 11:27:22 pm
You're so good at drawing hands!  :o
Lucky. XD

But seriously, this looks really nice. :D
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: altuixde on April 29, 2014, 11:29:14 pm
Ah, thanks! :D

Her right hand actually looked a little better before I inked it, but just a little. ;)
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: Amazing_Grace on April 30, 2014, 04:19:32 pm
Shh, don't tell people that. Let them be impressed. XD  ;)

But seriously, I wish I could draw hands like you. XD
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: altuixde on August 01, 2014, 05:10:02 am
If anyone's curious about the reason why I haven't uploaded art in a long while, it's because I had to take on a bunch of responsibilities for a month, and the other months I was struggling to find the motivation to get back into drawing. I'm out of practice, so I'm back to drawing heads. This is an exercise from Christopher Hart's Manga for the Beginner.

(http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/altuixde/Album_003/110_zpse621729b.jpg~original)

I wasn't brave enough to shade the eyes with a marker, so I used pencil instead.

Here are a few thoughts that came to mind when I was drawing this:

Anyway, I hope y'all like it! ^^
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: animagic4u on August 01, 2014, 05:23:54 am
Your work is coming along nicely!!
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: altuixde on August 01, 2014, 05:28:56 am
Arigatou! :D
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: MetalPredat0r on August 01, 2014, 06:05:29 am
Here are a few thoughts that came to mind when I was drawing this:
  • Inking is a lot harder than I remember it was.
  • Putting the cap on the other end of the marker may help steady the marker.
  • Getting the mouth right ain't easy. I tried many times to draw it in pencil, and when it comes to inking you've got only one shot to trace it correctly.
  • Humidity may make your hand stick to the paper a little, which makes inking long lines at a constant velocity difficult. So turn on the air conditioner when inking?

I hear ya. Inking can be a real pain sometimes all because you only have one shot. Screw up even remotely and you gotta start ALL over or ignore the mistake. I never had a humidity problem. Probably because I always turn on the fan in my room. Anyway, everything's coming along nicely.
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: ChocoCats on August 01, 2014, 06:18:57 am
That picture isn't bad for an inking drawing. Those are a pain to work with. I recommend that you use an ink pen instead because it's easier to work with and they're thinner, too. Shading is similar to pencil except you have to be neat with the lines.
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: altuixde on August 01, 2014, 04:26:34 pm
Thanks, you two.

ChocoCats - By an ink pen, do you mean something like a Pilot Precise? Or a fountain pen?
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: ChocoCats on August 01, 2014, 04:43:25 pm
Thanks, you two.

ChocoCats - By an ink pen, do you mean something like a Pilot Precise? Or a fountain pen?

Something like this: (https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui=2&ik=fd2c41f57b&view=att&th=14792033b824016d&attid=0.1&disp=emb&realattid=5cca6e45e8df1f00.1&zw&atsh=1)
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: altuixde on August 01, 2014, 05:00:53 pm
The image won't load for me, could you upload it again?
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: ChocoCats on August 01, 2014, 05:13:11 pm
The image won't load for me, could you upload it again?
Here you go.
(http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2014/213/c/2/cam00007_by_chocorats-d7t7vmj.jpg)
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: altuixde on August 01, 2014, 05:16:04 pm
Okay, I'll look for a pen like that. :)
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: ChocoCats on August 01, 2014, 08:18:40 pm
And one more thing: don't be afraid to use references on your drawings. They're there to help on proportions.
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: altuixde on August 02, 2014, 06:20:11 am
I got some pens of the kind that you recommended and they do feel smoother across the paper than one with a plastic tip. Now if only all of my pens and markers were a little heavier... I think it would help reduce the severity of jittery lines.
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: DeviantProtagonist on August 02, 2014, 03:52:21 pm
Ah, yes, that feeling of slipping on those old pair of shoes again. It's always good to pace yourself, and what you've came up with so far is awesome. ChocoCats is a great help, too.

Moreover, how well does Christopher Hart's tutorial do for you? I've never heard of him, personally.
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: altuixde on August 02, 2014, 05:19:38 pm
I prefer Crilley's drawing style to Hart's. For example, in this first exercise from Manga for the Beginner, the finished drawing looks like Hart has gilded the lily: the second to last step actually looks more appealing to me. When I was doing this exercise I left out a lot of detail from the last step. Also, Crilley provides more in-between steps in each exercise than Hart. Oh, and their writing styles are comparable. However, Manga for the Beginner goes on to teach how to draw characters in original poses, something absent from Mastering Manga, which is why I bought Hart's book.
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: altuixde on August 14, 2014, 08:30:45 pm
Here's a drawing of Hatsune Miku that I messed up pretty badly:
(http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/altuixde/Album_003/Miku_4_zpscd0f3b3a.jpg~original)
I'm pretty sure that I shouldn't have made her pupils solid black, but what else did I do wrong? Is there anything I can do to save it? Would making other lines bolder help to reduce the contrast of the eyes with the rest of the drawing? Also, I could take some lines out digitally, like the line starting at her chin that moves up below her left eye (it's supposed to indicate a shadow).

Here's the pencil drawing, which looks nicer:
(http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/altuixde/Album_003/Miku_3_zps271b01d7.jpg~original)
As you can see I used reference points galore in order to draw this.

Here's the image that I was copying:
(http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/altuixde/Album_003/frame_zps493f9af7.jpg~original)
At this moment in the video Miku's smile (her entire face, not just the mouth) is contagious. I couldn't quite replicate it, not even in the pencil drawing.

Some final thoughts: If you're going to ink your drawing, don't follow your pencil drawing too closely, because what looks good in pencil may not necessarily look good with dark ink over it. Also, inking in a sketchbook is starting to seem like a bad idea because there's no place to rest my wrist when working close to the edge of the sketchbook. I've gotta start ripping the paper out of the sketchbook first, and I need to get a desk.
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: animagic4u on August 14, 2014, 08:37:47 pm
Making good progress. I think the overall form is strong and your vision comes through.
In my opinion, though, her left eye looks a little off because the reflection seems to be slightly missplaced. If you look at your reference image, it is actually touching the top of her eyelid.
Also, her clothes and details look really...well, plain. To me, they look flat. The addition of the frills on her armband (sleeve?) and dress and making the straps 'thicker' (hollow) I think will give the image more overall spice!
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: MetalPredat0r on August 14, 2014, 08:58:01 pm
Like animagic said, the clothes look a bit too plain. The head area in general is brimming with detail, so much so that the outfit and torso feel lacking in comparison. Perhaps a few frills and some detail on her torso can help with this issue. Other than that, good job.

I do agree that somethings just look better with pencils. Though shadows can go either or when it comes to pencils or ink. I used to shadow using the pen itself, making my stuff look closer to Superhero Comic Books, but I stopped doing that when I discovered that that drains your ink MUCH faster as a result. Also, I need a desk too, but my room is small as is, so I'll have to settle with a folder and my knees. *sighs*
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: altuixde on August 14, 2014, 10:12:26 pm
Thanks, you two.

About the frills, I left them out because I don't have the skill to draw them. I need to study how to draw clothing. :)

animagic - are you referring to her left eye or the eye on our left? I wanted to draw the reflection in her right eye a little bit lower because the pupil in her left eye is partially hidden by her eyelid, so I thought the reflection in her left eye should be slightly higher. However, now that I think about it, the pupils in both of her eyes may be partially hidden by her eyelids.

Arturo - I agree that drawings need to be balanced in detail, but what detail can I add to her torso? Aside from the frills, she's wearing a very simple dress... but I suppose I could add stuff that isn't in the reference image.
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: animagic4u on August 14, 2014, 10:26:49 pm
About the frills, I left them out because I don't have the skill to draw them. I need to study how to draw clothing. :)

Clothing is an entirely different animal.  ;)
I've been trying to study drawing for fashion and how clothes are drawn to help me with my cosplaying pursuits. The way fabric falls on the body is really hard to draw. >w<;
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: MetalPredat0r on August 14, 2014, 10:29:37 pm
Arturo - I agree that drawings need to be balanced in detail, but what detail can I add to her torso? Aside from the frills, she's wearing a very simple dress... but I suppose I could add stuff that isn't in the reference image.

Maybe you can add some lines or some tones to her torso. Like a bit of emphasis on the chest details, as perverted as that might sound. It IS generally a good idea to not go by the reference 100%, as one of my friends from school who graduated years ago advised me. She tells me that the reference isn't always accurate so adding your own details could bring some improvements to the original reference that were possibly overlooked.
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: altuixde on November 04, 2014, 06:35:03 am
(http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/altuixde/Album_003/2014-10-21-114400-EDT_-_Hart_-_ProfileView_-_uninked_zpsa66d4002.jpg~original)
Above is the same girl I drew earlier (http://forum.project-imas.com/index.php/topic,2047.msg54670.html#msg54670).

For comparison:
(http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/altuixde/Album_003/110_zpse621729b.jpg~original)

I left out her ahoge this time because I couldn't figure out how it should look from the side. Also, I didn't use my ruler to measure the reference or create reference points. I'm trying to rely less on that. I still made guidelines, though.

Bonus points if you can figure out who this next one is. ^-^
(http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/altuixde/Album_003/2014-11-03_zps048eef68.jpg~original)

I was trying to portray a different emotion in this one. This is the first drawing I've completed in the same day that I started it. In retrospect, I'm noticing that her eyes are a little too far apart and there are some other errors, but oh well. ::)
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: liza94 on November 04, 2014, 01:54:49 pm
Bonus points if you can figure out who this next one is. ^-^
(http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/altuixde/Album_003/2014-11-03_zps048eef68.jpg~original)

Maybe it's Haruka without her ribbons?
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: altuixde on November 04, 2014, 04:56:57 pm
It does kinda look like Haruka, doesn't it? I was going for Kotori, though. Here are the references I used this time:

(http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/altuixde/Album_003/2014-11-03_-_Hart-_Fearful_zpsbf3c1d06.jpg~original) (http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/altuixde/Album_003/Kotori_episode_6_zpsac33b754.jpg~original)

Drawing something and uploading it on the same day probably isn't a good idea. It helps me to return to a drawing after a night's sleep because then I can take a fresh look at it, and so notice more things that can be improved.
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: Amazing_Grace on November 19, 2014, 10:42:46 pm
KOTORIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
I love Kotori, and I think you drew her wonderfully. Props on redrawing that girl, also! It looks like it must have been difficult, but you pulled it off amazingly well.

Also Miku is awesome.
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: altuixde on November 19, 2014, 10:56:28 pm
Thanks, Grace! I'm glad you like them! The profile view of the girl was kind of time consuming because I kept erasing parts of it and retrying. Her hair was less difficult, though. It's harder to make hair look wrong because it can bend in any direction.
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: Amazing_Grace on November 19, 2014, 11:19:17 pm
Thanks, Grace! I'm glad you like them! The profile view of the girl was kind of time consuming because I kept erasing parts of it and retrying. Her hair was less difficult, though. It's harder to make hair look wrong because it can bend in any direction.

You're welcome!

I've found I have troubles with hair facing to the side when I'm trying it for the first time, because I have to make sure the hair actually looks how it would look if you were viewing this hairstyle from this side. Do you tend to have the same problems, or is it just that simple and I way over-complicate things?
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: altuixde on November 19, 2014, 11:32:43 pm
I think I would have the same problems... but I think that this girl is the first character I've ever drawn at more than one angle, so I haven't run into the problem other than in this drawing (I also had a reference to look at for both angles, but I tried to make my copies a little bit different from the references). I really need to draw more. Can you give me any tips on how to be more motvated? I find myself listening to music and surfing the web when I could be drawing. :(
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: Amazing_Grace on November 20, 2014, 12:01:34 am
You're asking the absolute wrong person for help on motivation. X'DDDD I have an art request from like, six months ago that I still haven't finished.

I think when I get motivation to draw, it's usually when I get a fantastic idea and I just HAVE to draw it.
So my advice is to get great ideas.

What did I tell you.
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: altuixde on November 20, 2014, 02:37:24 am
I think when I get motivation to draw, it's usually when I get a fantastic idea and I just HAVE to draw it.
So my advice is to get great ideas.

Ah, that is good advice! That was the reason why I drew Miku and Kotori. There was one other idea I had, but I didn't write it down, so I forgot what it was and it never got drawn. Anyway, I'll keep in mind that I should think of ideas that would make great drawings.

What did I tell you.

Um, I forgot. Could you remind me? 0:)
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: Amazing_Grace on November 20, 2014, 03:37:30 am
Oh wow, that worked?! XDD

Well, glad I could help, I guess. XD Good luck with motivation!
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: altuixde on March 14, 2015, 05:28:14 am
Can anyone guess who this is?

(http://web.letterboxes.org/files_01/ee2eecff.jpg)

Hint: she's not from im@s.
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: altuixde on March 19, 2015, 01:34:49 am
About the mystery girl above, here's another hint: by default she wears a hat and a pair of headphones. ;)

Anyway, here's Azusa:

(http://web.letterboxes.org/files_01/azusa_01.jpg)

She was originally going to be Miki but when I drew the eyes she looked a lot more like Azusa. I had a problem with the torso being elongated in this one; that could be because I didn't pick up the paper to look at it often enough. As it is, I think this drawing looks better if you lay it flat on a table, sit down, and look at it as if you were drawing it. Also, I couldn't figure out how to draw the folds in Azusa's T-shirt, so it doesn't really look like a T-shirt.

Please leave comments! ^-^
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: Amazing_Grace on March 19, 2015, 02:39:25 am
I don't do enough of anything to know who that girl is. XD

But I love how Azusa turned out! The anatomy and the way her body looks is just fantastic. You did a really great job!
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: altuixde on March 19, 2015, 02:48:25 am
Thanks, Grace! Any suggestions for improving Azusa? It's all pencil so I can still make changes.

Edit: I should also give credit to Christopher Hart's book, Manga for the Beginner. Azusa's pose is from an exercise in said book. Also, her clothes are from the Kagayaki no Mukougawa e! movie.
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: Amazing_Grace on March 19, 2015, 02:01:35 pm
You're welcome! :)

Hm...the only thing I can think of is that her face looks a bit off, but I can't seem to pinpoint just what it is that makes me think that. It might be the mouth and nose; both are ever-so-slightly off-center from the chin. From personal experience, I've found that the mouth can be off-center without it looking bad, but the nose usually looks less out-of-place when it's lined up with the chin.

But, I've never used a drawing book as a reference, and am essentially self-taught, so I can't be sure that's the way it's actually supposed to be. ^^" Moving the nose might also make you have to move the eyes, which I think are perfect. So I could be WAY off.
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: altuixde on March 19, 2015, 04:46:30 pm
I agree that her face looks a little off. When I compare my drawing to frames from the anime, it's apparent that I actually drew her eyes too big, or at least bigger than what the anime viewers are used to seeing. However, if I change her face, I think that I'm much more likely to redraw it worse than it is now than to redraw it with improvement, so I think I'll leave her face the way it is. I'll keep your suggestions in mind for future reference, though!
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: Okayu on March 19, 2015, 05:01:01 pm
I think this image is useful.
(http://i.imgur.com/OUXEglp.png)
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: altuixde on March 19, 2015, 05:08:04 pm
Thanks, Okayu! I can't read the text on that image, though. :'(
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: Amazing_Grace on March 19, 2015, 05:30:04 pm
I agree that her face looks a little off. When I compare my drawing to frames from the anime, it's apparent that I actually drew her eyes too big, or at least bigger than what the anime viewers are used to seeing. However, if I change her face, I think that I'm much more likely to redraw it worse than it is now than to redraw it with improvement, so I think I'll leave her face the way it is. I'll keep your suggestions in mind for future reference, though!

Oh, I can totally agree with that. I re-draw stuff all the time that comes out way worse than it was. You just can't win sometimes. XD
I still commend your anatomy, though. It's so perfect.
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: altuixde on September 15, 2015, 05:18:02 am
It's been a while since I've drawn anything so I figured I should try something easy. I decided to copy this image:

(http://safebooru.org//images/1423/4fbf4093822d050ed29d38544aa905694f468ac7.png?1491121) (http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=50343102)

I was a little hesitant to do this, though, because there's no way my copy would look as good as the original (since the original is so good). However, if you're going to learn from an example, you might as well choose a good example. I tried to reverse engineer this drawing, starting with the basic body construction. Here's the drawing in various stages of completion:

(http://web.letterboxes.org/files_01/youmu_01.jpg)
(http://web.letterboxes.org/files_01/youmu_02.jpg)
(http://web.letterboxes.org/files_01/youmu_03.jpg)
(http://web.letterboxes.org/files_01/youmu_04.jpg)
(http://web.letterboxes.org/files_01/youmu_06.jpg)

No tools other than paper, pencil and eraser were used this time.

Finally, I'll also reveal that the mystery girl from before (http://forum.project-imas.com/index.php/topic,2047.msg58791.html#msg58791) is... Defoko.

Edit: I modified her arm slightly in the last image.
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: Amazing_Grace on September 15, 2015, 06:12:43 pm
That's very well-done! Even if you did have to copy something, it actually looks very close to the original.

When I first glanced at it, I thought the arms looked particularly skinny...but looking at the original image, they were small there as well, which means you did it right. Nice job!
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: altuixde on September 15, 2015, 06:52:43 pm
Thanks, Grace! But now that you mention it, I can see that the arm she's holding the sword with is noticeably skinnier than in the original. I think I'll try to fix that. Once I'm done making changes to this one I'm gonna try to draw something original. Hopefully I'll get an idea for something to draw soon. I actually started a drawing of Ritsuko before this Youmu copy but I abandoned it because I have difficulty figuring out on my own where the folds in clothing go. Maybe I'll get back to work on that.

In other news, I've been thinking of getting a Wacom tablet but I'm kinda on the fence about it. Art that's finished digitally looks more professional, in my opinion, but I'm not sure if I could get used to drawing on the tablet but looking at my monitor (instead of the tablet) to see the results. Learning to do this sounds like an interesting challenge, though. Also, I've looked at the profile pages of my favorite artists on Pixiv and, of the ones that mention what software they use, they almost all use SAI... which isn't available for Mac. Any Mac users out there know of software for Mac that makes a drawing tablet enjoyable to use?
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: animagic4u on September 15, 2015, 07:30:52 pm
I think your drawing came out excellent! Good work!

Have you tried using SAI with Wine? I'm also primarily a mac user, but when I drew I used a Windows machine with SAI.. :<
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: altuixde on September 15, 2015, 08:09:22 pm
I'm glad you like it, ani! I've never used Wine before but I'll look into it. Do you recommend any particular form of Wine, like WineBottler or an installation through MacPorts?
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: Amazing_Grace on September 15, 2015, 08:56:43 pm
Thanks, Grace! But now that you mention it, I can see that the arm she's holding the sword with is noticeably skinnier than in the original. I think I'll try to fix that. Once I'm done making changes to this one I'm gonna try to draw something original. Hopefully I'll get an idea for something to draw soon. I actually started a drawing of Ritsuko before this Youmu copy but I abandoned it because I have difficulty figuring out on my own where the folds in clothing go. Maybe I'll get back to work on that.

I totally understand that. I don't even bother with folds in clothing unless I'm copying something. XD I can't do it well, so why bother doing it at all? :P
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: Cael K. on September 15, 2015, 09:22:27 pm
I actually started a drawing of Ritsuko before this Youmu copy but I abandoned it because I have difficulty figuring out on my own where the folds in clothing go.

...

Also, I've looked at the profile pages of my favorite artists on Pixiv and, of the ones that mention what software they use, they almost all use SAI...

Not sure how much Japanese you can read, but have you tried searching for 講座 in pixiv? This is drawing, so I imagine if you looked at drawings where they explain this sort of stuff, you'd glean some information out of it. Maybe 講座 and any combination of 服 and シワ would get you something to look at.

And in case you can't really read Japanese, this is what the mystery symbols are.

講座 - lecture/how-to
服 - clothing
シワ - wrinkle
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: altuixde on September 15, 2015, 09:38:08 pm
Huh, I didn't consider looking for how-tos on Pixiv. I'll do some of the searches you recommended. Thanks, Cael! I can read almost no Japanese, though, and I'm sure that the tutorials will have some written explanation accompanying them. Still, even without being able to read what's written, they could be helpful.
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: Yui on September 16, 2015, 03:15:54 pm
Awesome!
That lineart looks so flawless. Your hand didn't even shake?
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: altuixde on September 16, 2015, 05:04:38 pm
Thanks, Yui! :D

My hand does shake a little sometimes but when I rest it against the paper, it's steady. I think that my darkening of her dress could've been done a little better. With true line art I believe that the angle of the lines is chosen purposefully to match the angle of the surface. When I chose the angles for the lines in this drawing, I was just making sure that the lines in one area are at least slightly different from those in adjacent areas.
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: altuixde on September 23, 2015, 06:27:38 pm
Behold! Ritsuko sitting on a floating board!
(see Master Special 02 (http://columbia.jp/idolmaster/2009/COCX-35455.html))

(http://web.letterboxes.org/files_01/ritsuko_01.jpg)

This is actually a work in progress. I didn't finish darkening her hair, dress, sleeves or slippers because I may be getting a drawing tablet and I could use the tablet for that. Also you may notice that I simplified the part of her dress that goes around her neck. That's because I don't think I made her neck long enough for those frills to look right.

The whole process of drawing folds in clothing is very complicated. I looked for relevant information on Pixiv, on the rest of the web and also in print books. I found one book entirely dedicated to this subject. Obviously I've only scratched the surface, but this would be a great skill to have so I'll keep working on it.
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: Amazing_Grace on October 19, 2015, 06:44:41 pm
That looks amazing.

Clothes and shading are my biggest problems. ;-; I just can't ever seem to get it right. What book are you using? Maybe I can find one for myself.
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: altuixde on October 20, 2015, 12:46:20 am
Ah, arigatou! :D I'm glad you like it!

I actually didn't end up buying any new books. Instead, I used mostly this image as a reference (for folds in a dress):

(http://safebooru.org//samples/898/sample_197649c8976adf17f2c406519bd34b4dee24f7fc.jpg?903489) (http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=903489)

The books I was considering getting are these two:

Drawing the Clothed Figure
by Michael Massen

and

Drawing People
by Barbara Bradley

On the cover of the book by Michael Massen is a drawing very similar to the one I did of Ritsuko but, on my honor, by the time I found that book I had already completed the drawing of Ritsuko except for the folds in her dress.

If you find a book or stuff on the web with good instructions on how to do shading could you let me know? I'm gonna need to do some shading in the next drawing I'm working on. ^^
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: Amazing_Grace on October 20, 2015, 06:15:19 am
Ah, thanks! :D I'll let you know if I find anything. So far I've just been totally ignoring any and all shading because I just can't. XD
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: altuixde on October 24, 2015, 06:13:57 am
(http://web.letterboxes.org/files_01/luka_01_512.png)This isn't finished yet either, but I couldn't wait to get it out the door... ::)

I started working on this because I wanted to see if I could skip paper and pencil and just use a drawing tablet. Seems like it is possible.

Does her face look alright? I had trouble getting it right. To me she looks like someone cosplaying as Luka, not Luka herself. If you look at the high-res version (see attachment) her left eye (the one on our right) looks a little scary.

The pose in this drawing is from Luka Luka Night Fever (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtJOgcYt8cY&t=52s).
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: ChocoCats on October 25, 2015, 03:09:59 am
Please post the time stamp for the video you posted because I can't seem find it...

Anyways, her face does look a bit strange, but it's mostly because of the way it's drawn. Try looking yourself at a mirror and do the pose you drew there.
I also recommended that you watch videos like (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGkS6Lor8kYl) this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZS4ASl6uZk) to see how a face is drawn. Hope that helps to you.
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: altuixde on October 25, 2015, 03:21:31 am
Here you go:

(http://web.letterboxes.org/files_01/hologram_luka_01.jpg)

I'll watch those videos you linked to. Thanks!
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: Yui on October 25, 2015, 10:21:30 pm
Nice sketches.
About that last one, I dunno which part of her face you could redraw, since perspective is my weakness. But her left arm (on the part of the armpit) looks a bit strange comparing to the other. Like... it's "height" I think.
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: altuixde on October 25, 2015, 10:38:54 pm
Thanks, Yui!

About her left arm, here's a frame that I used heavily as a reference:

(http://web.letterboxes.org/files_01/hologram_luka_02.jpg)

I tried to make the sketch look like the hologram, but maybe the hologram itself is incorrect in regards to the armpit.

On an unrelated note, I just noticed that I forgot to put a 03 on her arm!
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: Amazing_Grace on December 03, 2015, 09:34:35 pm
It has been a VERY long time and I missed you guys. <3

I agree that her face looks a bit off, but perspective is definitely my weak spot as well *pokes Yui* Unless her face is supposed to be tilted, make sure her eyes are even and level with each other. That might help.
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: altuixde on December 03, 2015, 10:26:24 pm
From this angle we're looking up at her face. So the nearer eye, when translated into 2D, should be a little higher. I guess that the way to fix it is for me to practice drawing faces (especially eyes) more, but it's so easy to get sidetracked.

I really should get around to finishing this drawing of Luka. Actually I did color it but the quality of it looks like something I could've done in kindergarten with crayons. I borrowed an art book from the library that I thought might help, but it was a little too advanced for me. One thing I did learn from it is that when drawing in black and white, it's about the forms and shapes; but when using color, it's all about the colors (the author put it more eloquently, but this is what I remember). It's tempting to just avoid using color because I haven't really been mindful of color when looking at other works or the world around me. I think what I'll do is try to learn how to use color but continue to do some (but not all) drawings in black and white.

But anyway, welcome back! I missed ya too, Grace! It can be pretty quiet around here... some days there's just a single post on the entire forum! Thankfully it hasn't been like that all the time, though. And thanks for your feedback on Luka!
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: Amazing_Grace on December 04, 2015, 04:56:36 pm
In that case, you were right and I have absolutely no idea what to do. xDDDD
I am really bad with perspective and I apologize for not having anything more helpful.

Yeah, I like coloring my art, but I do it with colored pencils so it always looks really elementary. Sigh. But hey, getting an art book is a good idea. I should probably get to my library and try that some time.

I'm in so many other forums now that it's getting almost overwhelming. I don't like that feeling. ;-; And especially since the only im@s-related conversations I can participate in are the ones having to do with the main cast, and no one talks about them anymore.
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: leafstro on December 10, 2015, 12:57:31 pm
First of all I'd like to say from what I've seen in this thread your drawings so far are really good. You're probably a lot better than me in terms of fundamentals, I can't even copy anything if I wanted to. I really liked your Miku drawing a couple pages back. You should really continue that Ritsuko drawing too, it was off to a great start! Looking through all these drawings are really getting me inspired and motivated, I'll have to make time to draw some today too.

I really need to draw more. Can you give me any tips on how to be more motvated? I find myself listening to music and surfing the web when I could be drawing. :(

Motivation is really a big problem for me as well. Especially since I'm uncompromisingly impatient. When I start a drawing I'm already looking for ways to finish it. No pacing what so ever. So a good way I've learned of getting more drawing done is by timing myself, I set aside maybe 15-30 minutes every day to draw, and only to draw. Within those 15-30 minutes set benchmarks or checkpoints. For example: @5min (gesture, action line) @10min (initial sketch, proportions etc...) @15min (secondary sketch, laying in the body musculature, details etc...) @25min (add clothing finish up) @30 (wrap up the drawing). < Just an example outline, you can make up your own benchmarks/checkpoints to suit your own technique and method.

When you do this I think it helps build the habit, and you won't have to motivate yourself as much anymore. Granted, there will be some days where you won't feel like drawing at all. However, those days are the days most important/crucial for you to draw on. If you don't draw on those days, I find it, you won't feel like drawing on the next, and it becomes harder and harder to get back into it. You have to keep drawing!!!! That is probably the best advice I can give since I'm not that far along on the drawing journey myself, but I hope it helps. ^^
Title: Re: altuixde's learning to draw thread
Post by: altuixde on December 10, 2015, 07:18:57 pm
I'll definitely continue the Ritsuko drawing. Should I do it in a paint style or a more digital style? I don't have experience doing either, though. I'm glad that my drawings inspired and motivated you! I think that's one of the best compliments you can give an artist! ^-^ But you should know that I erase and try again many times (I am slow). I usually know when things look wrong, but I don't always have the ability to make them look right.

Thanks for your advice on motivation and for sharing your timing method. Setting goals is something I haven't learned how to do—I just randomly throw time and effort at a task and hope that it gets done—so accomplishing something (or completing a step in a drawing) in a certain amount of time is daunting. Also, I think that I work better when I'm not under pressure, whether it's outside pressure or pressure that I put on myself. Setting aside some time every day for drawing, however, seems doable for me. One definition of a habit is something that feels strange when you don't do it; I'll try to get to that point with drawing.