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Re: Technology
« Reply #135 on: June 19, 2012, 05:37:02 am »
Still, I think there are good things they did with Windows 8 with the task manager and stuff... but the Metro stuff just turns me off, especially since they got rid of Aero. Metroized windows just looks ugly compared to what I deal with in Mac OS X or even Linux, which looks ten times better.

Now you're just nitpicking if you're complaining that they got rid of Aero. You need a better sense of fashion if you think Aero looks better than what replaced it.

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Re: Technology
« Reply #136 on: June 19, 2012, 05:47:40 am »


But honestly, the average joe most likely won't go to control panel and set the button to shut off the computer...

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Now you're just nitpicking if you're complaining that they got rid of Aero. You need a better sense of fashion if you think Aero looks better than what replaced it.

Even with the reasons you try to provide to convince me, Windows 8 is another Windows Me, I'm still not convinced with the Metro thing and the inability to turn it off. Regardless, I probably end up playing with it since I can obtain a free copy of Windows from my college, but no... I'm never installing Windows 8 on any of my machines or my parents. It brings nothing to the table for desktop, laptop, computer gamers and power users except a few improvements in exchange for Metro, which we don't want.
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Re: Technology
« Reply #137 on: June 19, 2012, 05:59:12 am »
Metro is being shoved everywhere, the 360 dashboard is currently terrible.

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Re: Technology
« Reply #138 on: June 19, 2012, 06:04:00 am »
It brings nothing to the table for desktop, laptop, computer gamers and power users except a few improvements in exchange for Metro, which we don't want.

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except a few improvements in exchange for Metro

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exchange

Nothing is being exchanged. I just said this. Metro is not replacing absolutely anything.

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« Reply #139 on: June 20, 2012, 04:14:19 am »
Even though I'm pretty injured at this point (Yep, public waiting lists are a pain to wait around on) someone else threw the money (and the physical assistance) to install a new capture card that was part of an advancement operation we had in the works prior to my injury and wanted to execute it anyway.

I figure this would qualify for new technology - a Blackmagic DeckLink HD Extreme 3D+

The price tag on it wasn't cheap, the card's $1000.

Pictures can be found here, but as you can guess, he's the one holding it and taking photos.

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Sadly, it required a LOT of physical assistance, due to the fact due to cooling issues, we had to completely reconfigure the inside of the server unit. If you're wondering why the power supply is upside down, it's because the mounting screws were more reliable that way. The power supply used to sit at the bottom.

Why did we move the power supply? Because there wasn't enough clearance at the bottom of the case to support the card, so we shifted the power supply to its secondary slot.

So what did that involve? Helping a friend who took all the parts out, set up the case in the correct formation, then put them all back in.

How can the case be customised so much? That's what happens when you pay an arm and a leg for a really good case.

Why would we do a massive shuffle? The HDMI links were stiff and we couldn't bend the cables enough to get the access points at anything less than 3 cards up. They made their HDMI cables well shielded, but due to this, there was a maximum flexing we could make, and it had to go around the other capture card (A Blackmagic Intensity Pro, which you might know as the card I normally use for im@s request video work) and somehow dodge a couple of heat sinks on the way.

It also became tricker when you consider that cooling for the Extreme 3D AND the supporting SAS (In one of the pictures, you'll see a card with what looks to be red SATA cables with a heat sink near it) actually mattered, since that the SAS controller runs between 60 and 90C during normal operations. Needless to say you don't want cables touching that heat sink.

We also had to remove the normal 2 slot video card and replace it with a 1 slot (Sadly, it downgrades it from a 9800 GTX to a 9500) although this machine isn't designed for gameplay, and considering there's now two other gaming machines in the building and two capture cards, there's no reason to play a game on it.

Sadly, not all the configuration is done - if you saw the breakout cable, you'll notice none of them have component connectors you may recognize - these are production conneectors (as the Decklink Extreme is a production grade card), and you can't plug a PS3's component into them.

You'll also notice that some of the plugs look like they can have microphones put into them - these are the analog audio connectors.

I'll need to arrange adapters for the consumer component cables to hook up the Decklink for 1080p60 PS3 use.

So how do the HDMI ports work? Well, if you're running a Xbox 360, you can just directly split it (or plain trick it) into feeding it into the card as HDCP isn't applied for games. It means (ironically) that the Xbox 360 version will always have one advantage over the PS3 version - better resolution as it'll scale up to 1080p60 without a problem. (Not that it matters - The X360 just scales the 720 assets, from my understanding.)

The PS3 applies HDCP on all outgoing signals, so I'm working on a solution for the capture card to see it via the PS3.

The card also does 3D in all formats, which means that once I work on HDCP breaking, I'll be able to capture things in 3D as well. (That's mostly a matter of equipment though, and I've been told we'll move towards it anyway)

We ran a quick burn in test where we ran the cards in tandem - One is running Atelier Meruru via the PS3 component at 720p. The other is Windows 8 Customer Preview, run at 1080p60 via its HDMI port.

http://www.twitch.tv/best72/b/321972340

Yes, the sound going over each other was deliberate, as we needed to check if our capture software would correctly handle both simultaneous cards running, and that the hardware wouldn't trip over itself (via a PCI-e lane error or otherwise flat out running out of lanes) as we ran it at near full capacity. We've yet to do a record and broadcast stream at the same time, but that's due to the need to wait for the component adaptors, and most likely, at least one more SAS drive.

So what do we hope to do with it? Probably run co op game streams of whatever we feel like, and people can watch both sides at once. Probably record some Project Diva Dreamy Theatre 2 in 3D, catch multiple console plays, broadcast a PS3 simuliview (After splitting the signal into two of course) among other things.

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Re: Technology
« Reply #140 on: June 20, 2012, 04:33:13 am »
I really like what you're planning to do with this.

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Re: Technology
« Reply #141 on: August 13, 2012, 12:12:46 am »
I want to get a new computer, but I have absolutely no clue about what qualifies as a good computer and what doesn't. I'm pretty tech retarded.

Oh, and my mom wants to get a new camera since the ones of our little trip to Germany didn't turn out as well as she'd hoped, but I'm just as much ignorant there, if not even more so.
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« Reply #142 on: August 13, 2012, 03:48:29 am »
I want to get a new computer, but I have absolutely no clue about what qualifies as a good computer and what doesn't. I'm pretty tech retarded.

Do you want your new computer to be a desktop or a laptop?  I have a laptop and I think I should have gotten one that weighs less.  Mine weighs 4.5 pounds (2.04 kg) and having it slung over my shoulder for a while is fine if I'm not carrying anything else.  However, if I have other stuff to carry too, then it can get tiring.
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« Reply #143 on: August 13, 2012, 08:23:11 pm »
^ Definitely a desktop. I'm so criminally bad with working laptops it's untrue.
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« Reply #144 on: August 13, 2012, 10:38:47 pm »
For a desktop, never buy a prebuilt. They're always overpriced for what you actually get out of them (maybe a decent CPU at best). Always buy parts and build it yourself (It's not that difficult; It would take me about 20-30 minutes to build a computer from an empty case and parts). You'll know exactly what's in there and it's significantly easier to upgrade/fix.

To start, what's your budget/the tasks you want to perform on it?

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« Reply #145 on: August 13, 2012, 11:48:51 pm »
^ Oh, dear, letting me do anything close to constructing something technological myself is a nightmare. I can barely code things without getting intensely confused.

I don't really know much about a budget, but I just want to play some more upscale games on it without it freezing or crashing. My computer is insanely slow in doing absolutely anything and I have no idea what to do about it other than upgrade with a prebuilt;;
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Re: Technology
« Reply #146 on: August 14, 2012, 01:22:39 am »
You'll definitely want a discrete graphics card with dedicated VRAM to play upscale games.  Are you getting a new display too?

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« Reply #147 on: August 14, 2012, 01:39:18 am »
Here's an example of a computer that's good and won't completely break the bank (ie. go overboard):
CPU: AMD FX-8120 (I would wait until October for the new CPU releases since this year's model series failed horribly) ($160)
GPU: Nvidia GTX 560 ($200)
RAM: 4-8GB DDR3 @1600MHz ($60-120)
Mobo: ASUS Sabertooth 990FX ($200)
PSU: CORSAIR TX650 ($100)
Total Cost: Around $700USD, depending on shipping/manufacturer/rebates/discounts/etc. But since you're in GB, the prices may vary wildly from those above.
A case and Hard Drive aren't too expensive if they are in need of replacement. By the way, nearly any computer shop will assemble a computer for a small fee.

I still need to replace my Video card, it's an old man (Ran 2x 9800GTX until one died, for those interested). Too bad my money's tied up in University expenses right now...

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« Reply #148 on: August 14, 2012, 04:59:45 am »
Or. There are places and sites out there which will allow you to construct a PC to your liking, and build it for you. It'll be part of the price though.

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« Reply #149 on: August 14, 2012, 03:12:23 pm »
Whoa, thanks for all this. My ignorance on the subject is pretty much all-consuming, so it's great to have people who seem to know what they're talking about assist me on it;;

You'll definitely want a discrete graphics card with dedicated VRAM to play upscale games.  Are you getting a new display too?

Not if I don't have to. My display works just fine as it is, so I'd assume that means I don't need to replace it or anything like that.

Here's an example of a computer that's good and won't completely break the bank (ie. go overboard):
CPU: AMD FX-8120 (I would wait until October for the new CPU releases since this year's model series failed horribly) ($160)
GPU: Nvidia GTX 560 ($200)
RAM: 4-8GB DDR3 @1600MHz ($60-120)
Mobo: ASUS Sabertooth 990FX ($200)
PSU: CORSAIR TX650 ($100)
Total Cost: Around $700USD, depending on shipping/manufacturer/rebates/discounts/etc. But since you're in GB, the prices may vary wildly from those above.
A case and Hard Drive aren't too expensive if they are in need of replacement. By the way, nearly any computer shop will assemble a computer for a small fee.

I see... Would I be able to go to places and request they build one using those components? I couldn't even build an LED display in electronics class without needing help, so there's no hope I'll be capable of doing it on my own, so I'd need to have someone else do it for me.
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