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Re: iDOLM@STER 2!!
« Reply #2595 on: April 15, 2011, 03:44:49 am »
I like how NBGI has Watashi wa Aidoru, Omoide wo Arigatou, and Massugu make little appearances in iM@S2...I totally wish they were actually -usable-. Going back to L4U and playing them makes them feel like new songs all over again. XD

Sorry if someone has already been talking about this...but how have those darn m@d video creators been able to key out the backgrounds of their videos?  :-\
It's not perfect so I assume it's some kind of program they're using...or something?
While I don't normally seek out MADs, I haven't actually seen any where they've taken out the backgrounds...I've only seen the normal recorded video with the lyrics blurred out and written over, and effects put on top of the video.

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Re: iDOLM@STER 2!!
« Reply #2596 on: April 15, 2011, 04:06:58 am »
Recently, there's been a few. I saw one that got #2 on the idolm@ster weekly ranking thing on idolm@ster m@d world service.
It's Honey Heartbeat with a keyed out background.
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm14043430
There's a few others around nico nico douga. As you can see it's not perfect, but it's pretty darn good.

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Re: iDOLM@STER 2!!
« Reply #2597 on: April 17, 2011, 09:11:41 pm »
I'd have to say that I'm a new Fangirl for Hokuto Ijuiin and I'm proud of it!!!

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Re: iDOLM@STER 2!!
« Reply #2598 on: April 17, 2011, 10:08:25 pm »
Just saw the 2nd PV for the IDOLM@STER anime!!! ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgjE2aj8KoM&feature=player_embedded#at=228
Uh, if you haven't already noticed, there's a whole thread for the im@s anime here...
http://forum.project-imas.com/index.php/topic,1081.0.html

Not to turn out your excitement, but the PV has already been posted there too.

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Re: iDOLM@STER 2!!
« Reply #2599 on: April 17, 2011, 11:42:26 pm »
Recently, there's been a few. I saw one that got #2 on the idolm@ster weekly ranking thing on idolm@ster m@d world service.
It's Honey Heartbeat with a keyed out background.
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm14043430
There's a few others around nico nico douga. As you can see it's not perfect, but it's pretty darn good.
I always thought that like...maybe there was a sort of magic-wand-tool thing for videos, though my only guess for that case was that they let their video program do it automatically...since their arms disappear and stuff XD Even with the issues aside, it does look pretty good.
Maybe it's just a matter of a whole lotta patience... =A=

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Re: iDOLM@STER 2!!
« Reply #2600 on: April 18, 2011, 01:25:28 am »
I always thought that like...maybe there was a sort of magic-wand-tool thing for videos, though my only guess for that case was that they let their video program do it automatically...since their arms disappear and stuff XD Even with the issues aside, it does look pretty good.
Maybe it's just a matter of a whole lotta patience... =A=

Hopefully they come out with an official patch for s4u.
I want more videos with kick butt effects...

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Re: iDOLM@STER 2!!
« Reply #2601 on: April 18, 2011, 01:51:43 am »
Hopefully they come out with an official patch for s4u.
I want more videos with kick butt effects...
I'm hoping they at least do some sort of patch...where we can control the camera ahead of time and do lyrics selections \o/

but really, since they had so many things built into L4U! that you could use to make MADs, none of which went over to S4U, I'm wondering if they're holding out with these sorts of features on purpose to make another L4U-esque game or something. :\

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Re: iDOLM@STER 2!!
« Reply #2602 on: April 18, 2011, 03:01:25 am »
I'm hoping they at least do some sort of patch...where we can control the camera ahead of time and do lyrics selections \o/

but really, since they had so many things built into L4U! that you could use to make MADs, none of which went over to S4U, I'm wondering if they're holding out with these sorts of features on purpose to make another L4U-esque game or something. :\

bleh. They already have s4u we don't need another idolm@ster game right now. Unless they're going to make it some obnoxious DLC deal. 'The idolm@ster mad kit'- patches for colored backgrounds, no lyrics, an producer edit. I can so see them doing it.

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Re: iDOLM@STER 2!!
« Reply #2603 on: April 18, 2011, 03:06:02 am »
bleh. They already have s4u we don't need another idolm@ster game right now. Unless they're going to make it some obnoxious DLC deal. 'The idolm@ster mad kit'- patches for colored backgrounds, no lyrics, an producer edit. I can so see them doing it.
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Re: iDOLM@STER 2!!
« Reply #2604 on: April 18, 2011, 03:36:28 am »
EDIT: I'm not venting, I'm answering this! <_<;;

Sorry if someone has already been talking about this...but how have those darn m@d video creators been able to key out the backgrounds of their videos?  :-\
It's not perfect so I assume it's some kind of program they're using...or something?

Definitely something algorithmic going there - likely using only color information. Probably a magic wand-like effect, as was mentioned earlier.

Idols are cel shaded (having a border) and generally well-lit, while the stage is neither, so this may be feasible. Can't do anything about the big window announcing what song you're doing, though. ^^;

Anyone interested can do a search for Laplacian Edge Detection - easy to do, and I'm betting it's what's been used here. So...

(1) Determine where your edges are, using whatever edge detection algorithm you want to use.
(2) Use some sort of fill algorithm to assign a bit to each pixel - 0 if outside an edge, 1 if inside. (A simple one: go row-by-row, start with 0's. Move horizontally across the row and switch to 1's when you hit an edge, since you're now inside an edge. When you hit an edge again, switch back to 0's. Keep doing this. Not perfect, but should be straightforward to understand.)
(3) Fill another picture with the same dimensions with your background of choice.
(4) Every pixel in the original image you masked with a 1, overlay that pixel from the original image to your destination image (the one in step 3).

That should be a basic idea of how I imagine the process should go. I could be wrong as always.
« Last Edit: April 18, 2011, 03:52:10 am by Cael K. »
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Re: iDOLM@STER 2!!
« Reply #2605 on: April 18, 2011, 05:00:36 am »
Oh that's brilliant. Still gonna hope for an official patch though. The snow/particle/confetti thing is a problem.

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Re: iDOLM@STER 2!!
« Reply #2606 on: April 18, 2011, 01:17:31 pm »
Sorry if someone has already been talking about this...but how have those darn m@d video creators been able to key out the backgrounds of their videos?  :-\
It's not perfect so I assume it's some kind of program they're using...or something?

Hmm...This is just me, and I have no clear proof of it, but what I think they do is modify the game (hackers lol), edit it so the background will be blue/green/etc, record whatever they need for a MAD, and apply the same techniques used when using a green screen. Again, I dunno if they do this, but it's possible.


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Re: iDOLM@STER 2!!
« Reply #2607 on: April 18, 2011, 05:26:20 pm »
Anyone interested can do a search for Laplacian Edge Detection - easy to do, and I'm betting it's what's been used here. So...
Woohoo, I was a little bit right! *clueless about video editing stuff*
I think it led to a pretty impressive end result given what the original source was, but I guess in the end "if you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"...*crosses fingers for a free iM@S MAD pack*

...I still think it's just so weird that L4U had all of that MAD-making stuff built into it, and yet they took all of it out in iM@S2 :s

Hmm...This is just me, and I have no clear proof of it, but what I think they do is modify the game (hackers lol), edit it so the background will be blue/green/etc, record whatever they need for a MAD, and apply the same techniques used when using a green screen. Again, I dunno if they do this, but it's possible.
I think if they just did the blue/green screen method, they wouldn't have the problems you see in that video (i.e. pieces of the idols themselves disappearing from time to time, not related to stage-effects falling from the sky).

Plus, I think the edges of the extracted idols would be more clear if they had the blank backgrounds; some of the L4U MADs are pretty high quality XD
« Last Edit: April 19, 2011, 10:40:59 pm by TweenDoriru »

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Re: iDOLM@STER 2!!
« Reply #2608 on: April 18, 2011, 06:33:31 pm »
Sorry if someone has already been talking about this...but how have those darn m@d video creators been able to key out the backgrounds of their videos?  :-\
It's not perfect so I assume it's some kind of program they're using...or something?
You mean something like this?
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm14168155

I'm thinking they're using some video editing software and removed the background.
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Re: iDOLM@STER 2!!
« Reply #2609 on: April 20, 2011, 02:10:26 am »
Okay, I've had this up for like a month, but never finished it. Well, whatever - this questionnaire closes in like four or five days, so I should probably finish it.

http://www.bandainamcogames.co.jp/cs_support/enq/list/im2/

This is your chance to be heard by BNGI (for all the good you think it'll do), should you wish to participate. The survey will be held until 24 April, 2011, and is open to anyone who has purchased the game. On the last page of the manual, lowest box, last item, you will see a confirmation code. Enter this code in the input box at the bottom of the survey page, and click the 配送 (leftmost) button to begin. After answering the questions, the button at the bottom will take you to a screen confirming your answers (or telling you what you've missed). I can't remember anything past that, really. Completing it will let you download a special wallpaper.

BNGI asks that you spend at least three hours playing the game before answering the questions.

Most questions are multiple choice, thus a translation is feasible.

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Q1. Please rate the items below on a scale from 1 to 5.
(columns, left to right) Satisfied, Somewhat Satisfied, Indifferent, Somewhat Dissatisfied, Dissatisfied
(rows, top to bottom)
Images, Graphics
Music, Sound Effects
Narrative Elements and General Feel of the Setting
Protagonist and Appearing Characters
Gameplay (Ease of play, level of interest)
Control (Ease of learning, Ease of play)
Difficulty (Ease of progression, Suitability of difficulty)
Freshness and Originality

Q2. Rate your level of satisfaction with this game from 1 to 5.
(left to right) Satisfied, Somewhat Satisfied, Indifferent, Somewhat Dissatisfied, Dissatisfied

Q3. Reasons for your answer above. (Optional)

Q4. How did you come to know about this game? (Check all that apply.)
Commercial, TV show
Radio, Web radio
Game magazine
Manga or comic magazine
Some other magazine
From the company Official Site
From a games news site
Internet BBS or blog
Internet shopping site
Movie site
Mobile phone site
Social Networking Service (mixi、GREE、mbga, etc.)
Twitter
Newspaper, Flyers
Promotional videos shown on the web or in front of stores
Promotional materials (posters, etc.) in front of stores
Side-BN, NBGI's free informational magazine
Billboards and other associated advertisements outside of stores
Event
Hearsay from friends or family
Other (Please specify)

Q5. Which of the above was the most influential to your purchase?
(Same as above.)

Q6. Where did you buy this game?
Department Store
Hypermarket (Supermarket + Department Store)
Toy store
Game specialty store
Home electronics store
Used games store
Rental store
Mail order via the internet, etc.
Don't know/Don't remember
Other (Please specify)

Q7. Please tell us why you bought this game. (Check all that apply)
I've played all the Im@s games until now, and wanted to play Im@s2.
I'm interested in games where you produce three idols (raising simulations)
I wanted to run around with the idols all across Japan
I wanted to fight the two groups of rivals to get the IA Grand Prix awards
I wanted to interact with the idols in Communications
I thought having 5 idols on stage was appealing
My favorite character(s) appear in this game
I wanted to finally be able to produce Hibiki and Takane
I wanted S4U!
I like bishoujo games and stuff
I liked the promotion videos
I wanted the Sparkly Sparkly Package
I wanted Little Match Girl
I wanted the Weiss Schwarz PR cards
Information in magazines and on the internet made me want to buy it
The attention it was receiving on BBSs and blogs made me want to buy it
The movies I saw on the internet made me want to buy it
I like the music and the CDs, and wanted to try the game out
I like the Im@s comics, and wanted to try the game out
I like the voice actresses in the game, and wanted to try the game out
I like Im@s Mobile, and wanted to try the game out
The newly announced Im@s anime is interesting, and made me want to buy it
Other (Please specify)

Q8. How did you buy this game?
Preordered it new
Bought it new, but didn't preorder
Bought it used
Received as a present
Don't know/Can't remember
Other (Please specify)

Q9. Please check all characters you like who make an appearance in this game.
(Please just look at the wiki. Ctrl-V Ctrl-F for it if you have to.)
2nd from bottom: No one in particular
Bottom: Other (Please specify)
(Translator: Don't forget Kotori and Shachou. 音無小鳥, 高木順次郎)

Q10. Please rate the playtime for one clear of Im@s2.
Too long
Somewhat long
Just right
Somewhat short
Too short
Don't know/Can't remember

Q11. Please rate the following items from 1 to 5, based on a playthrough of the game.
(columns, left to right) Satisfied, Somewhat Satisfied, Indifferent, Somewhat Dissatisfied, Dissatisfied
(rows, top to bottom)
The plotline of your idols going up against their rivals for the IA awards
Running around with the idols all across Japan
Strengthening your Danketsu through heartful Communications with your three idols.
Strengthening your relations with your idols with the Secret Communications that occur sometimes at night
Enjoying 5-idol Stages

Q12. What appealed to you in this game?
Managing your fans and their awareness while going for top spots in the charts
Balancing your schedule time cost per week with money expenses
Communications with your idol through Promotions and the like
Buying items through the in-game shop (LUCKY RABBIT, BK MANIAC)
The fact you can produce nine idols
Level of interest of the game having Auditions, Lives, and Fests
Increasing your stats with Lessons
Playing around with Stage 4 U!
Submitting and viewing PVs with the online ranking system
Reducing production legwork with self-lesson and self-audition
Experimenting with the different amulets' effects in Auditions, etc.
Individual idols' Burst Appeals
Nothing listed above
Other (Please specify)

Q13. Please rate the game's difficulty and the appropriateness thereof, on the following scale.
(Columns, left to right) Too hard and should be easier, Too easy and should be harder, Just right, Hard but appropriate, Easy but appropriate, Don't know/Can't remember
(Rows, top to bottom)
Production, as a whole (Getting IA awards)
Auditions
Lives
Fests
Vocal Lessons
Dance Lessons
Visual Lessons
Super Vocal Lessons
Super Dance Lessons
Super Visual Lessons
Training Hell

Q14. If there were another game in the series, what from the following would you want to be in it? (CHECK ONLY UP TO THREE)
Appropriate difficulty for Produce Mode
New Lessons
New Auditions, Fests, and Lives
More morning/night greetings with the idols
More Communications (Promotions, etc.)
More Secret Communications
More new songs
More new stages
The return of Part Edit
More clothing/accessories
Completely new (female) idols
More promotions local to areas within Japan
I'd like to make my own music and lyrics, and have the idols sing them
No narrative, just a Free Produce
New narrative
Not only trios, but solos
Not only trios, but duos
Trios, as in this game
No time limit to a production
Nothing in particular
Other (Please specify)
(Translator Recommendation: 今までの765と876アイドルのみんなをプロデュースしたい - I'd like to be able to produce all 765 and 876 idols in the series up to this point.)

Q15. Please rate your level of satisfaction with the extra limited edition bonuses.
(Columns, left to right) Satisfied, Somewhat Satisfied, Indifferent, Somewhat Dissatisfied, Dissatisfied, Don't know/Don't remember
(Rows, top to bottom)
Sparkly Sparkly Package... packaging? (Translator: I'm guessing it's packaging here.)
765 Pro idol illustration cards
765 Pro Employee card
Little Match Girl download card
Weiss Schwarz Promo cards (x2)

Q16. If another installment of Im@s came out, do you think you'd buy it?
I'd definitely buy it. (100%)
I think I'd buy it. (80%)
There's a chance I would buy it. (60%)
I probably wouldn't buy it. (40%)
I don't think I'd buy it. (20%)
I definitely would not buy it. (0%)

Q17. Please tell us your opinions and thoughts about the game itself, as you played it. (Up to 1000 characters)

Q18. Please check all the other Idolmaster games you've bought in the past.
[XBox 360] Idolm@ster (Jan. 2007)
[XBox 360] Idolm@ster, Platinum Collection (Nov. 2007)
[XBox 360] Idolm@ster Live For You! (Feb. 2008)
[XBox 360] Idolm@ster Live For You!, Platinum Collection (Mar. 2009)
[XBox 360] Idolm@ster Platinum Twins (Mar. 2009)
[PSP] Idolm@ster SP Perfect Sun (Feb. 2009)
[PSP] Idolm@ster SP Missing Moon (Feb. 2009)
[PSP] Idolm@ster SP Wandering Star (Feb. 2009)
[PSP] Idolm@ster SP Perfect Sun, PSP The Best (Jan. 2010)
[PSP] Idolm@ster SP Missing Moon, PSP The Best (Jan. 2010)
[PSP] Idolm@ster SP Wandering Star, PSP The Best (Jan. 2010)
[Nintendo DS] Idolm@ster Dearly Stars (Oct. 2009)
Idolm@ster 2 is the first Im@s game I've bought. (Feb. 2011)

Q19. Please select all the systems below you own.
Playstation 3
Playstation 2
PSP
PSP Go
Wii
Nintendo DS (including Lite, DSi, DSi LL, DSi XL variants)
Nintendo 3DS
XBox 360
PC
iPad
iPhone
Android
A smart phone other than an iPhone or Android
Cell Phone (Other than a smart phone)
None of the above
Other (please specify)

Q20. Other than this game, how many new console games have you purchased in the past year?
(Free entry)

Q21. Please indicate the gender of the primary player of this copy.
Male, Female

Q22. Please indicate the age of the primary player of this copy.
(Free entry)

Q23. Please indicate the occupation of the primary player of this copy.
Under 3 years old
Child, as of yet not attending school.
1st grade
2nd grade
3rd grade
4th grade
5th grade
6th grade
Middle schooler
High schooler
Two-year college/Vocational college student
University student
Post-graduate student
Company employee
House father, House wife
Other (please specify)

Those wishing to receive a chance at a (physical) present delivered to you, please answer.

Q24. Postal Code
(In the form 1234567, without dashes.)

Q25. Prefecture

Q26. Address

Q27. Name

Q28. E-mail address

Q29. Would you like to receive e-mails concerning NBGI's games and other products?
Yes
No

There. Done. Mainly I wanted people to spam Q14 as much as possible (if a new game were released, what would you like to see).
« Last Edit: April 20, 2011, 03:02:29 am by Cael K. »
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Translations: http://www.mediafire.com/?hzc4b0jy7pwll

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S(mile)ING! (English version, singable) - http://d.hatena.ne.jp/caelk/20140911/1410422445
Neue Green, Volume 3 - Will start sometime. ^_^;;
Rockin' Girl, Volume 1 (Chapters 1-5) - http://www.mediafire.com/?z00ffkvg5ocg11e