iDOLM@STER 2!!

[TweenDoriru]

What I don't understand up to this point is that while people say DVD's data capacity might be the reason, that's not really a problem, now is that? They can simply release it as a DLC for free. That had drive was there for a reason.

They can just say: "Um... Look, it's not like we want to do this, but DVD's capacity < Blu-Ray, so please bear with us and download the rest of the game if you want RK's portion. If you don't wanna then it's fine, you can play it either way"

That's an instant download for all fans (even if they charge for it. Heck, that's RK! They charge for a different texture of the same costume), and those who are new won't really bother to download it, that's a real win-win solution there.

Personally, I could care less about Jupiter, as long as they don't make their way into a complete wallpaper featuring all idols, or duet song with 765 in a CD. I'm a guy, I want to see and hear girls, not boys, and especially not cel-shaded boys with 14 years old named Shota in it. Loli is one thing, but yaoi shounen ai featuring shota is a different matter altogether.

It seems a fair amount place the blame on Jupiter for RK existing...though that might be a situation like "males in the franchise! sick 'em!!"

Also, maybe I don't feel Jupiter is invading because I'm a girl? XD Either way, maybe they're trying to make more concrete rivals; after all, with 961's "Project Fairy", you could dawdle on your way to/from the production office and -- hey! There's an adorable girl that you coincidentally run into. And she talks to you!

...essentially, Miki, Takane, and Hibiki weren't very threatening rivals. Even at the beginning of the game, you have a hunch they'll be like "Ohh, Honey/Anata-sama/765Pro, take me into your agency!".

Mind you, given the choice, I'd still take the female idols over the male ones (my bias against 961 aside ). But I don't think Jupiter is really such a bad addition. They're RIVALS! XD

[Raestloz]

It seems a fair amount place the blame on Jupiter for RK existing...though that might be a situation like "males in the franchise! sick 'em!!"

Also, maybe I don't feel Jupiter is invading because I'm a girl? XD Either way, maybe they're trying to make more concrete rivals; after all, with 961's "Project Fairy", you could dawdle on your way to/from the production office and -- hey! There's an adorable girl that you coincidentally run into. And she talks to you!

...essentially, Miki, Takane, and Hibiki weren't very threatening rivals. Even at the beginning of the game, you have a hunch they'll be like "Ohh, Honey/Anata-sama/765Pro, take me into your agency!".

Mind you, given the choice, I'd still take the female idols over the male ones (my bias against 961 aside ). But I don't think Jupiter is really such a bad addition. They're RIVALS! XD

Rival or no rival, the reason I don't like Jupiter is simply what I stated before: "I'm a guy, and I don't want to see another guy on my TV", I'd say that's the start of Jupiter's problem. If you see a guy watching a video of 2 guys and one male child dancing and singing around doing nothing else, what will you think of him?

[TweenDoriru]

Rival or no rival, the reason I don't like Jupiter is simply what I stated before: "I'm a guy, and I don't want to see another guy on my TV", I'd say that's the start of Jupiter's problem. If you see a guy watching a video of 2 guys and one male child dancing and singing around doing nothing else, what will you think of him?

That he lost the festival he had entered in iM@S2

But I guess that's a sort of double-standard...where girls can watch girls on stage and nothing is thought of it, whereas if a guy is watching guys on stage, they're questioned? XD At the same time, though; if the music is good...well, why not? Male idols and singers have male fans. And everyone has live perfomances~

[Raestloz]

That he lost the festival he had entered in iM@S2

But I guess that's a sort of double-standard...where girls can watch girls on stage and nothing is thought of it, whereas if a guy is watching guys on stage, they're questioned? XD At the same time, though; if the music is good...well, why not? Male idols and singers have male fans. And everyone has live perfomances~

Well....

A boy with boys poster all over his room might imply he wants to be like that one in the poster (which, we should assume, a good thing: someone that got a poster of his own must be pretty good financially)

A girl with girls poster all over her room is pretty much the same

A boy with girls poster all over his room means he's very freaking healthy, both in body and mind

A girl with boys poster all over her room is pretty much the same

Eh... but I guess I can't just enforce my ideals to everyone

[TweenDoriru]

Well....

A boy with boys poster all over his room might imply he wants to be like that one in the poster (which, we should assume, a good thing: someone that got a poster of his own must be pretty good financially)

A girl with girls poster all over her room is pretty much the same

A boy with girls poster all over his room means he's very freaking healthy, both in body and mind

A girl with boys poster all over her room is pretty much the same

Eh... but I guess I can't just enforce my ideals to everyone

Then what's the problem with a guy watching or listening to Jupiter? XD

[Raestloz]

Then what's the problem with a guy watching or listening to Jupiter? XD

He's got 12 other girls to see, yet he got boys, one of them being shota.

That's 3 vs 12, or 1 vs 4 if you will. Any healthy male would pick female if they have to choose in a casual situation (you surely can't choose a girl if that means death or some other thing terrible).

And the game is not about being cool or awesome either, it's simply about dancing around. Wanting to be like Ichigo Kurosaki with his zanpakuto is one thing (that guy can kick some serious ass after all), watching Jupiter is another :/

[TweenDoriru]

He's got 12 other girls to see, yet he got boys, one of them being shota.

That's 3 vs 12, or 1 vs 4 if you will. Any healthy male would pick female if they have to choose in a casual situation (you surely can't choose a girl if that means death or some other thing terrible).

And the game is not about being cool or awesome either, it's simply about dancing around. Wanting to be like Ichigo Kurosaki with his zanpakuto is one thing (that guy can kick some serious ass after all), watching Jupiter is another :/

I unno, Jupiter's dance is pretty awesome, imo. If I were a guy, I'd like to do a backflip like that *shot*

After all, it's not like Jupiter is dancing The world is all one!!, where they're holding hands and high-fiving XD They have a legit "cool" image, song, and dance, and I wouldn't hold it against anybody to like them XD Male or female.

Of course, that being said, there IS a huge section of the fanbase that doesn't, but half of that seems to be because of all the slash that's leaking out now XD

[Raestloz]

That's why I said I can't enforce my ideals to everyone XD

[Scotty]

And the game is not about being cool or awesome either, it's simply about dancing around. Wanting to be like Ichigo Kurosaki with his zanpakuto is one thing (that guy can kick some serious ass after all), watching Jupiter is another :/

>He thinks characters like Ichigo are cool
>Doesn't think having millions of people adore him for doing what he likes is cool

[animagic4u]

Of course, that being said, there IS a huge section of the fanbase that doesn't, but half of that seems to be because of all the slash that's leaking out now XD

Appealing to a female and male fanbase is brilliance on their part, I think.
Lately a bunch of companies have been trying to widen their fanbase for more appeal so they have the right idea just not as nicely accepted.

The fans should have realized though that there is no stopping it now.

>He thinks characters like Ichigo are cool
>Doesn't think having millions of people adore him for doing what he likes is cool

lol

[Cael K.]

>He thinks characters like Ichigo are cool
>Doesn't think having millions of people adore him for doing what he likes is cool

... One of them dishes out all sorts of butt-stompitude and doesn't care if people like him or not, while the other goes on stage and actively tries to get people to like them?

... Or is it the bishounen factor?

... Forums slow as molasses right now.

... Fu...

EDIT: ... Huh, the forums are loading faster now. Earlier it took me a few tries to even get here.

[Scotty]

Yes, lets put down a profession instead of....whatever it is Bleach is about.

I'm sure you'd try to want people to like you if your job depended on it.

[Cael K.]

Yes, lets put down a profession instead of....whatever it is Bleach is about.

I'm sure you'd try to want people to like you if your job depended on it.

Probably the bishounen factor, then. ^^;

Maybe a they're-not-my-kind-of-cool sort of thing, or something?

[Kyo]

In a nutshell...

Thanks for the comments, we got a lot. Ryuuguu are rivals now, but they'll continue to walk together with the rest of 765Pro as the series continues. Sorry about Jupiter, but they're staying, and we had lots of discussion on this internally. No online battles, hardly anyone played online, but thanks for your support at the end of ArcadeM@s' online scene. This game concentrates on your battles with NPCs.

We'll have online rankings and DLC in Im@s2. Information to come (about this, characters, and what's in the Im@s2 world).

Oh yeah, and RESTART is the message we've wanted to get out since like, July when we announced this.

I think that sums it up. Maybe we oughta watch for promotions within BNGI after release. Personally, I didn't see anything new.

What they're really trying to say:

"Ryuuguu are rivals now, but they'll continue to walk together with the rest of 765Pro as the series continues." = "Azusa, Ami, Iori and Ritsuko will no longer be playable ever again from now on, sucks be to you."

"Sorry about Jupiter, but they're staying, and we had lots of discussion on this internally." = "There's nothing you can do about it, ha ha ha."

[RoninatorMarx]

Namco are too proud of themselves to listen to fans and adjust their games according to what fans want. Look at the Tales series.

I see where you're coming from there. But one thing you really got to ask yourself and others is this: Are you really content on seeing the same thing, same unaltered gameplay and storyline, over and over for like, how many possible installments? I don't think many people are seeing the big picture much.

Another thing: Would keeping things 100% the same is good to keep a franchise alive? This move may cost Namco some fans, but it in itself should help them get more new ones.

But they already put all the effort into the character design, the models, the motion capture, the voice actors, the storyline for Jupiter. Why would they go throw all of that out?

And -why- the hate for male idols? Are players -that- scared that male characters have been introduced to the series? Jupiter wasn't put in the game to be love-rivals; they're put in the game for the sake of Kuroi having something to play with while we overtake 961. Again.

And I don't believe RK was taken out because Jupiter is in the game. That's a way uneven amount of stuff to cram on that disk; the amount of space Ritsuko, Iori, Ami, and Azusa would've commanded is, without a doubt, way more than the bit Jupiter took.

I don't get all the hate for the new content XD That's how the game is going to be. It's a -new- iM@S game.

I'd only call it a shame because it isn't subtitled and overseas, yet.

They'd be a fool to waste so much money on those stuff, then just thrash everything after the completion stage.

Shipping is the biggest reason I see so far. I mean, so far, that's the direction everyone sees Jupiter is headed. And I won't be surprised if they did.

Agreed. I can say this with some confidence: Jupiter can be in iM@S2 while RK doesn't exist and their members are producable by the player as default. So why aren't they producable? Check my underlined statements earlier. Now, why are they the unfortunate victim of Namco's decision, is a mystery to me.

Same. Though I can get their rage over it since...well....they're new, in the sense that I wasn't expecting those form of clothing (No comment was my first reaction to the new costumes).

Doesn't everyone here who can't own this game say that?