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Need some advice
Naryoril:
--- Quote from: mariokirby on March 27, 2017, 12:14:09 am ---Oh, okay. That makes sense. Thank you for the clarification. (Somehow it “feels” like I get more perfects. But, I guess maybe with practice you tend to score more perfects regardless).
Don’t mean to sabotage the topic, but just out of curiosity what do the other items do? I guess they aren’t too useful but just wondering.
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I'm not at home right now, so i can't check, but a lot of them are basically already included in target support Z. I know one of them makes it, that normals don't end the extreme burst, but since target support z turns normals into goods, the effect is the same (and it even works for bads).
One item does something with double notes if i'm not mistaking.
And iirc another item does something with the long notes, but that is included in target support z as well (see below)
--- Quote from: mariokirby on March 27, 2017, 12:14:09 am ---Sorry, but what did you mean by that? I thought you need to hold down the button for those long notes until it finishes.
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I mean, when you use target support z, you don't need to hold them. The work like this:
If you hold the button until the note is over (no need to let go of the button at the right timing, you just need to press it until the note is over), you get the same "rating" (as in bad, normal, good or perfect) as you got at the beginning of the note. So if you got a normal at the start, you won't get a good or perfect at the end, only a normal.
If you let go of the button too soon, you get a worse rating, depending on how much too soon you let go of it. But you will always get at least a bad, you won't get a miss.
Since you get at least a bad when letting go of the button too soon, and target support z turns a bad into a good, there is no need to hold a long note with target support z. Well, it's not necessary if the combo is all you are concerned about, for a high score you want at many perfects as you can of course, and for that you need to keep the button pressed (and get a perfect at the beginning of the note).
mariokirby:
--- Quote from: Naryoril on March 27, 2017, 09:56:55 am ---but a lot of them are basically already included in target support Z. I know one of them makes it, that normals don't end the extreme burst, but since target support z turns normals into goods, the effect is the same (and it even works for bads).
One item does something with double notes if i'm not mistaking.
And iirc another item does something with the long notes, but that is included in target support z as well (see below)
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I see. Thank you for answering my question. Didn't know target support Z had included additional effects from other items as well.
--- Quote from: Naryoril on March 27, 2017, 09:56:55 am ---If you hold the button until the note is over (no need to let go of the button at the right timing, you just need to press it until the note is over), you get the same "rating" (as in bad, normal, good or perfect) as you got at the beginning of the note. So if you got a normal at the start, you won't get a good or perfect at the end, only a normal.
If you let go of the button too soon, you get a worse rating, depending on how much too soon you let go of it. But you will always get at least a bad, you won't get a miss.
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I see. I like the way the game makes it, so you don't have to let go of the button at the right moment. I just hold it down until the note finishes.
--- Quote from: Naryoril on March 27, 2017, 09:56:55 am ---Since you get at least a bad when letting go of the button too soon, and target support z turns a bad into a good, there is no need to hold a long note with target support z. Well, it's not necessary if the combo is all you are concerned about, for a high score you want at many perfects as you can of course, and for that you need to keep the button pressed (and get a perfect at the beginning of the note).
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I guess all the benefits from target support Z is dependent on pressing the right button. So, pressing the wrong button is excluded from this if I understood this correctly.
I do notice that even if I full combo a Master song, if I score mostly good notes, then the score gap from that and getting all perfect notes from a Pro song isn't that much. So, I try to get as many perfects if I'm forced to use a Master song for a really difficult DL live.
Naryoril:
--- Quote from: mariokirby on March 27, 2017, 03:11:19 pm ---I see. Thank you for answering my question. Didn't know target support Z had included additional effects from other items as well.
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It's not explicitely included, it's just that the effect of target support Z also results in achieving the same as other items (such as not ending the burst on a normal, since target support z turns that normal or even bad into a good, which doesn't end the burst either).
--- Quote from: mariokirby on March 27, 2017, 03:11:19 pm ---I see. I like the way the game makes it, so you don't have to let go of the button at the right moment. I just hold it down until the note finishes.
I guess all the benefits from target support Z is dependent on pressing the right button. So, pressing the wrong button is excluded from this if I understood this correctly.
I do notice that even if I full combo a Master song, if I score mostly good notes, then the score gap from that and getting all perfect notes from a Pro song isn't that much. So, I try to get as many perfects if I'm forced to use a Master song for a really difficult DL live.
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No, you don't need to press the right button with target support Z. Pressing the wrong button with a decent timing results in a normal, which is then turned into a good by target support Z, it doesn't matter if it's a long note or not, or even a memory appeal. Even without target support Z you don't break the combo by pressing the wrong button (since it will be a normal with decent timing), it will end the burst though. I think the extreme burst must be started with the touchpad though, but i'm not sure about it. With target support Z you could full combo a song and keep the burst until the end by only ever pressing the same button and never holding it down, and maybe you need to press the touchpad once.
But yes, trying to get as many perfects as possible on master while using a target support z to cover your mistakes is the best and safest way to score. The target support can help you through sections where you have trouble keeping up the combo. For me it is sections with lots of the same note in rapid succession, like you see them in kiramekirari master, there the target support sometimes saves me by turning a bad (which would break the combo) into a good.
mariokirby:
--- Quote from: Naryoril on March 27, 2017, 03:58:08 pm ---No, you don't need to press the right button with target support Z. Pressing the wrong button with a decent timing results in a normal, which is then turned into a good by target support Z, it doesn't matter if it's a long note or not, or even a memory appeal.
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Oh, okay. That part I didn't know about. Thanks, for the information.
JurikoSan:
Naryoril, I sent the picture of my setup for The DL Live Keep - Out 3, since you asked for my setup, did you have time to take a look at it? Maybe I'm doing something completly wrong there idk :) Learning the best I can.
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