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DL Lives
Hime Idol:
Sorry Naryoril but I can't stay silent anymore. (And sorry Setsuna if I'm intruding.) But Naryoril you are basically saying to me, Setsuna, and others who want to do requests and complete this game 100% a really big "fuck you" with a nice middle finger attached to it. Besides requests I also make videos that I can enjoy for myself. So I guess it's: "Oh well get over it if you can't get everything. You only literally pay thousands of dollars/yen to Namco for DLC material. So get over it that the drop rates are low at least you're getting mostly recolored free stuff so far." Yeah I should be thankful that Namco can't even bother to make unique outfits anymore even though they get millions of dollars/yen from im@s fans all over the world. They have the money and resources to do it but they won't. More money in their pockets if they don't spend and more money they'll make by making the DL Live drops nearly impossible unless you buy the p-drops. I played one day 8 hours straight and didn't drop one thing from the 1st DL Live. Then used 150 p-drops in 3 separate lives and only got one Bunny Ring, one Bunny Garter, and four Punk Goth outfits in three drops and the second one didn't have one DL Live item in it and I didn't even get 1 gold present in that one. But yeah I should be thankful to Namco for making me spend money on "free" material if I want to unlock everything without having to play 500+hours on the DL Lives alone. I already did that with OFA.
On the Japanese wiki for the game someone actually did the % number for the gold drops, it's 0.8%. We don't even have a 1% chance to get gold presents. I can only imagine that DL Lives have an ever lower number. Though silver presents can hold the accessories as well but the outfits are only gold drops. I was lucky enough to naturally drop Aurora Diva yesterday after a solo live with Miki. It was only the third "natural" gold present I ever dropped without p-drops but never naturally dropped the DL Live accessories or outfits yet.
http://gametter.com/platinum-stars/TIPS_C_06.html
Namco solely made these DL Lives to make money off the p-drops, no one can dispute that. What we can dispute is that we do not need to be thankful for these non-free DL Lives. In the end they are not free, they are craftily designed money makers for greedy Namco. Even though I LOVE im@s I'm very tempted to make this the very last im@s game I ever buy. Namco is getting ridiculous with the money grabbing tactics. I spent over $1,600 on OFA (excluding mail, money, and DLC guest idols) and I fear PS will only be worse with the expensive but content-light DLCs and the not so free DL Lives. I can only hope if we do ever get a proper im@s3 it'll be better executed than PS's structure. OFA had a great gameplay structure (you had jobs to complete in a set time and actually needed strategy to beat opponents) but PS has the superior graphics (duh PS4 after all). I can only hope that im@s3 will be a combination of the OFA gameplay structure along with PS graphics, if ever released and if I'm still willing to throw money at Namco at that point.
Reikuo:
--- Quote from: Hime Idol on August 23, 2016, 06:36:31 pm ---Namco solely made these DL Lives to make money off the p-drops, no one can dispute that. What we can dispute is that we do not need to be thankful for these non-free DL Lives. In the end they are not free, they are craftily designed money makers for greedy Namco. Even though I LOVE im@s I'm very tempted to make this the very last im@s game I ever buy. Namco is getting ridiculous with the money grabbing tactics. I spent over $1,600 on OFA (excluding mail, money, and DLC guest idols) and I fear PS will only be worse with the expensive but content-light DLCs and the not so free DL Lives. I can only hope if we do ever get a proper im@s3 it'll be better executed than PS's structure. OFA had a great gameplay structure (you had jobs to complete in a set time and actually needed strategy to beat opponents) but PS has the superior graphics (duh PS4 after all). I can only hope that im@s3 will be a combination of the OFA gameplay structure along with PS graphics, if ever released and if I'm still willing to throw money at Namco at that point.
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The concept of pdrops is great originally, its DLC that a small minority of the community pays for that everyone is able to have access too. Now if there really is only 12 planned, and based on how fast they are coming out and frankly how cruddy DL Live 2 and 3 are, its clear this is just launch content being released after the fact.
Everyone knows the drop rates are atrocious, which is really where all the arguments start and stop. Honestly there are just not enough items in this game to even have a drop rate system.
As for paying that much for DLC, well at the end of the day what do you really expect? They are just taking advantage of IM@S fans because they have proven they will pay these prices. The new Dark Souls 3 DLC was announced with new weapons, armor, magic, bosses and a new area and new PvP map all for 1200 yen. Meanwhile the miracle dance hall outfit is 1500 yen with none of the accessory's. Respectfully, you paying those outlandish prices makes you a brick in the foundation that created the current state of Platinum Stars.
Naryoril:
--- Quote from: Hime Idol on August 23, 2016, 06:36:31 pm ---But Naryoril you are basically saying to me, Setsuna, and others who want to do requests and complete this game 100% a really big "fuck you" with a nice middle finger attached to it.
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No, i'm not, how many times do i have to explain that? I fully agree that the present drop system with these probabilities completely sucks. But this system is there entirely independent of the DL lives, it is not just a DL live problem and it isn't the DL live's fault.
If you hate these DL lives so much, what would you rather have? Not have the items the DL lives contain at all, so it's easier to reach 100% of the items, even if that means you will have less options to make your videos? The people complaining about the lack of variety in costumes and accessories won't be happy about that, not to mention that it doesn't make sense to wish for less options for the videos (especially since 2 of 6 items are guaranteed after 4 lives). Or would you like to have these items integrated into the game right off the bat, without the DL lives? And if so, in what manner? Having them in separate lives like it is now? That doesn't change anything in the current state of affairs except for the fact that it is all available right now, but you wouldn't save any time to get all 100% of the items. Or would you like to have these items in the normal drop pool? That would make getting 100% even more difficult.
So what would you change about the DL lives that would make things better for you and everyone else? The present drop system and the p drop bait that comes with it is NOT an issue just of the DL lives, it's an issue of the whole game. THAT's what i have been saying all the time. Don't blame the DL lives for that, if there were no DL lives things wouldn't be better for you or anyone else.
Roswell:
Those problems, although independent of DL lives and affects a core of the game itself, still affect DL lives very deeply and make DL lives themselves function very sloppily as a result.The solution is to obviously change the drop rates and produce less recolor and more unique outfits, even if it's at the expense of less DL lives in the long run. You're defending DL lives for no reason other than they're "free" and that namco is somehow throwing us a bone with them.
And how do you know that things wouldn't be better without DL lives at all? Perhaps they never introduced the idea of extending the game's game time with peridocally released events AND ACTUALLY CREATED THE BASE SET COSTUMES WITH MORE VARIETY TO START. If they planned DL lives well beforehand, they could very well have stiffed us with the base set so that we would spend money on p drops to get these DL live costumes that are seemingly "free".
Naryoril:
--- Quote from: Roswell on August 23, 2016, 10:18:18 pm ---Those problems, although independent of DL lives and affects a core of the game itself, still affect DL lives very deeply and make DL lives themselves function very sloppily as a result.The solution is to obviously change the drop rates and produce less recolor and more unique outfits, even if it's at the expense of less DL lives in the long run. You're defending DL lives for no reason other than they're "free" and that namco is somehow throwing us a bone with them.
And how do you know that things wouldn't be better without DL lives at all? Perhaps they never introduced the idea of extending the game's game time with peridocally released events AND ACTUALLY CREATED THE BASE SET COSTUMES WITH MORE VARIETY TO START. If they planned DL lives well beforehand, they could very well have stiffed us with the base set so that we would spend money on p drops to get these DL live costumes that are seemingly "free".
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You are talking about the costumes now, but the costumes from the DL lives are not affected by the drop issue at all, only the accessories are. Ex clearing the C rank of a DL lives gives you the C rank costume guaranteed, ex clearing the A rank gives you the S rank costume guaranteed. There is absolutely no reason to spend money on P drops to get the costumes, so yes, the costumes are indeed free.
And if all these items were added to the game right from the start and not bit by bit through DL lives, that wouldn't help the completionists with the accessories either, they would still need to acquire them all through drops, tempting them to buy p drops to speed up the process. So even assuming all the Dl live content is already completed, the only drawback of the DL lives is that not all items are available right off the bat, acquiring the items and all the issues that come with it (spending time and/or lots of money on p drops) wouldn't be better if the items were included in the base game.
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