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DL Lives
Naryoril:
The lack of variety of costumes in the base game is a legitimate complaint, i agree and i already wrote that in the previous post. But if the DL lives didn't exist, would you have demanded that they release more for free, and not just recolors but also new ones? Or would you have complained about the lack of costumes but eventually begrudgingly settled for what's in the game and available as paid dlc? And be honest to yourself here.
Roswell:
--- Quote from: Naryoril on August 22, 2016, 08:21:29 pm ---The lack of variety of costumes in the base game is a legitimate complaint, i agree and i already wrote that in the previous post. But if the DL lives didn't exist, would you have demanded that they release more for free, and not just recolors but also new ones? Or would you have complained about the lack of costumes but eventually begrudgingly settled for what's in the game and available as paid dlc? And be honest to yourself here.
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The complaint with the base game set will remain and I wouldn't have demanded them release for free, but I would want them to make the base set more diverse (which is what I want them to do whether or not DL lives exist). But why must the DL live costumes be free from criticism? I accept them for what they are too, but I do not have to be happy with them especially considering they could have been the easy remedy.
Nakiame:
We all love im@s and would like to avoid critisizing it as much as possible, but as it stands it's really hard to keep complains to yourself.
And no, DL lives are not free. You've already paid at least 8800 yen for them.
Yukibro:
--- Quote from: DeviantProtagonist on August 22, 2016, 05:31:51 pm ---It's also not so much as the recolor being lazy, but it's reflective of the effort Namco is willing to put in Platinum Stars as a whole. Obviously, this hearkens more to the game being a cash magnet, and as a result it snowballs into a questionable pile of game design. No thanks to P drops, Namco can just keep repping away with repetitive content to roll in revenue and it'll always rub me the wrong way.
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You mean as repetitive as iM@S DLC has been? Reusing the same vocals recorded years back even today, offering recolored outfits as DLC alongside newer paid content, and otherwise recycling content when they can? Considering the similarities between 2 and OFA, you're even double-dipping there for songs or outfits to use in a rather derivative game as far as the engine goes. That's not to say that P Drops aren't more cash-grabby or questionable, but being worse doesn't mean PS introduced the idea into the series. I don't like to phrase it that way, but that's how it's been for a while, even if it at least seemed more generous before. Namco makes more money off the DLC one way or another, and they aren't entirely benevolent about it.
--- Quote from: Roswell on August 22, 2016, 07:53:31 pm ---I wouldn't be complaining if the base set in game offered any semblance of variety, but as it stands, they leave a lot to be desired and so do these DL live costumes. In past games, the only way to get new costumes was paid DLC (which also included recolors), and yet I never felt the way I do now with the PS base set of costumes.
You can be happy with your free mediocre content all you want, this doesn't mean we have to be. I understand not wanting to see negative posts, but we feel this is legitimate critisicm even if your opinion differs. Why should we be complacent with what appears to be a clear downgrade from previous games and Scamco appearing to offer no real solution other than these cheap recolors and giving them more money?
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I can't say I entirely disagree, since I think the first DL Live's outfit set some expectations that haven't been met so far (namely the fact that it was entirely original and introduced a new costume type). As far as that goes, I can see why you'd be disappointed. But if we're speaking about the lack of variety of the base costumes, that's not the fault of the DL Lives on their own. That falls under the other criticism of having such costume similarities in the first place, so while it is a problem, I feel that DL Lives are doing as much as they were advertised to do while being dragged down by other unfortunate issues we've mentioned already. I don't feel obligated to criticize the DL Live offerings beyond what I said about the first DL Live showing because at that point, I would be complaining more about P Drops and the recolors than the event itself.
I don't like seeing this as an issue of criticism validity either. You're free to see it as you want, but that applies to everyone too. And I'm not even trying to defend the issues I think the game has (and honestly, the mentioning of them is probably more redundant than the game itself :P), I just wanted to put my two cents in because I feel like the DL Lives alone aren't really the problem here all things considered.
Roswell:
--- Quote from: Yukibro on August 22, 2016, 10:15:44 pm ---I don't like seeing this as an issue of criticism validity either. You're free to see it as you want, but that applies to everyone too. And I'm not even trying to defend the issues I think the game has (and honestly, the mentioning of them is probably more redundant than the game itself :P), I just wanted to put my two cents in because I feel like the DL Lives alone aren't really the problem here all things considered.
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I just wanted to defend the right to criticize any aspect of the game, even DL lives (free or not). I don't think DL lives are problematic in theory, but the execution. I totally agree with you that the first DL live set some unrealistic expectations (unrealistic unconsidering it's Scamco) so the following recolor feel even more of a letdown. Whether or not you're happy with what they put out, we should be able to voice our satisfaction or lack thereof.
I can't even complain about the P drops since that's so in line with Namco business strats ::)
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