THE iDOLM@STER > THE iDOLM@STER Platinum Stars
DL Lives
DeviantProtagonist:
--- Quote from: mariokirby on October 25, 2016, 06:21:14 am ---Woah, that was pretty deep. Guess, I learned more about you.
Sorry. Anyways, we all accept your apology regarding the recent incident. In my opinion, I think both parties are equally to blame, so it's not entirely your fault. I understand you felt guilty about your reaction, but it's good that you came up to give a sincere apology. And, we all respect that as that takes a lot of courage and dignity. And, I think you made a good example to everyone on the forum. Something, we all should follow not only on the internet but also in real life.
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I needed to prove who my real self was, with all targeting sings pointed on me and my willingness to pull the trigger. It's something many take for granted, yet I totally understand why.
Still, I drew too near the point of no return; I'd be too ashamed in your presence, let alone deem myself a worthwhile friend and to others who do. Gratefully, one of ours gave that push.
While I refuse to again lose sight of myself, we're all humans capable of failure. Thinking I should emphasize less on what role models did best and more as to how they handle problems.
--- Quote from: Naryoril on October 25, 2016, 09:19:00 am ---Apology accepted DeviantProtagonist, and thank you.
First of all, this is the internet, there will always be arguing and misunderstandings, due to the written form. And, like you, i'm no stranger to being bullied, i have been bullied all my childhood until i moved to a different school in a neighboring at village the age of 14 (which had nothing to do with the bullying, simply because there was no "high school" in the village where i lived) and i learned not to take everything at heart.
That said, to be honest, after all this, i admit i toned back my efforts trying to help everyone out with the game (e.g. i didn't put as much effort into the scoring mechanics analysis as i intended to).
As for my persistence on the topic (edit: and i say this fully aware that this could start the whole mess again):
I kept persisting for 2 reasons:
1) No one of you ever answered the question i kept asking: in what manner would you prefer the items from the DL lives to be in the game, without altering the game's (drop) mechanics? As long as this question isn't answered, i simply can't see any blame in the DL lives or their implementation, imo all the blame is in the drop system itself.
The only way i see is to make all the DL live items, as well as all other items in the game, ex clear rewards, thus making the drop system pretty much obsolete and nothing more than a nice bonus for getting items early or leveling them up. But this solution is borderline "altering the game's (drop) mechanics". And once again: i fully agree that the drop system really really sucks and needs to be changed by implementing a floor (at least 1 gold present very x lives) or something.
I probably keep insisting on this because i hate seeing the, in my eyes at least, innocent being blamed for something they didn't do, even if it isn't people.
2) This here is the only place where i saw such negativity towards the game, and it frankly strikes me as odd.
Edit: added some words that went missing after shifting sentences around while writing the post.
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I'm beyond happy to know that. The written form can indeed go a long way in causing harm, which had I any foresight to, I'd punch myself many times over. Nevertheless, an amnesty like this can breed something so much more.
I mean, if I could buy you some rounds of beer, I'd totally would. Looking forward to those new kinds of possibilities. Still, my personal grievances aren't over just yet... but I'm glad we're able to gain closure with this one, Naryoril.
To more an amusing side, a percentage floor was indeed added at some point; no clue on numbers, but the summary was one of Namco's partners threatened to drop out after having done 2000 Lives with nothing to show for it.
Sure did away with Namco's cold shoulder, right then and there.
Setsuna:
--- Quote from: Setsuna on August 23, 2016, 12:06:18 pm ---You are strawman arguing and you know it. I have stated solutions, and your demand to 'answer the question' shows you actually believe the base premises that NBEI have made, or you do not (or do not WANT TO) understand the actual problem.
The DL live system would work fine (for various definitions of fine, I suppose but that's a matter of modelling), but the base assumptions that they used are either flawed (namely, they assumed that the real life spread would be far less than they ended up being) or they really wanted to go in for the long haul (namely that 2-4 hours a day, every day for a year for 50/100% completion at roughly 66%)
The first is a probability oversight and can be corrected by increasing the rate and introducing a present drop floor. The second is scary, and needs to be corrected by reevaluating what the expected PS player would actually be DOING over the course of six months or a year, then adjusting the drop rates so they reasonably match the actual expected within a deviation or two.
If you attempt to straw man the argument again, (Cause this is already the second time in as many posts AFTER pushing forward two posts of insults) you've demonstrated that you're not actually interested in a discussion and are trying to push a narrative without an iota of respect, and you will be given the amount of respect as you are due.
You can keep the DL live system as is, actually, if you modelled completion to something relatively SANE. 80 hours or more PER EVENT is not sane by any measure, and you know it, because you haven't attempted to defend that point.
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So apparently what I said wasn't a solution. Include a drop floor, improve the drop rates. This WOULD improve the game substantially, because a greater deal of reliability would be there, because even now with the changes, it's a wild roller coaster. (Ask some of the other players. They moved the goal posts slightly, but well, the problem is in the drop mechanics.)
Incidentally, get a translator, and catch.
https://www.amazon.co.jp/%E3%83%90%E3%83%B3%E3%83%80%E3%82%A4%E3%83%8A%E3%83%A0%E3%82%B3%E3%82%A8%E3%83%B3%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BC%E3%83%86%E3%82%A4%E3%83%B3%E3%83%A1%E3%83%B3%E3%83%88-%E3%82%A2%E3%82%A4%E3%83%89%E3%83%AB%E3%83%9E%E3%82%B9%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BC-%E3%83%97%E3%83%A9%E3%83%81%E3%83%8A%E3%82%B9%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BC%E3%82%BA/dp/B01DVJMI0Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1477468617&sr=8-1&keywords=%E3%82%A2%E3%82%A4%E3%83%89%E3%83%AB%E3%83%9E%E3%82%B9%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BC+%E3%83%97%E3%83%A9%E3%83%81%E3%83%8A%E3%82%B9%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BC%E3%82%BA
If you're wondering that's the amazon.jp page for Platinum stars.
Read through all of it, and don't be surprised if you find out the RNG put you on the good side of the game.
There's more of course, including things I'm not allowed to disclose due to commercial in confidence, but let's put it this way - When a game puts off someone who really loves the game to the point they're willing to pull a BUSINESS DEAL with NBGI over it, you might have a tiny problem with the model. (Incidentally, this deal nearly being pulled prompted the changes.)
--- Quote from: Naryoril on October 25, 2016, 09:19:00 am ---Apology accepted DeviantProtagonist, and thank you.
First of all, this is the internet, there will always be arguing and misunderstandings, due to the written form. And, like you, i'm no stranger to being bullied, i have been bullied all my childhood until i moved to a different school in a neighboring at village the age of 14 (which had nothing to do with the bullying, simply because there was no "high school" in the village where i lived) and i learned not to take everything at heart.
That said, to be honest, after all this, i admit i toned back my efforts trying to help everyone out with the game (e.g. i didn't put as much effort into the scoring mechanics analysis as i intended to).
As for my persistence on the topic (edit: and i say this fully aware that this could start the whole mess again):
I kept persisting for 2 reasons:
1) No one of you ever answered the question i kept asking: in what manner would you prefer the items from the DL lives to be in the game, without altering the game's (drop) mechanics? As long as this question isn't answered, i simply can't see any blame in the DL lives or their implementation, imo all the blame is in the drop system itself.
The only way i see is to make all the DL live items, as well as all other items in the game, ex clear rewards, thus making the drop system pretty much obsolete and nothing more than a nice bonus for getting items early or leveling them up. But this solution is borderline "altering the game's (drop) mechanics". And once again: i fully agree that the drop system really really sucks and needs to be changed by implementing a floor (at least 1 gold present very x lives) or something.
I probably keep insisting on this because i hate seeing the, in my eyes at least, innocent being blamed for something they didn't do, even if it isn't people.
2) This here is the only place where i saw such negativity towards the game, and it frankly strikes me as odd.
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Taylor_Omnom115:
Here's a new DL LIVE!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Boraa_SIboU (DL LIVE is at 0:55)
Naryoril:
the accessories of the latest DL live are interesting, they give skills in slots where they weren't available before, most notably you can get 100 chain bonus on the arm slot now.
This means, it's now possible to use drive trio and 100 chain bonus at the same time, before that it was only possible when you could use certain S rank costumes which have the 100 chain bonus.
And by using the F rank tiara, you can still keep the charge level which usually is on the arm slot. So that's an extra 2100 to 3500 points through this accessory for people who are struggling to clear the DL lives, and it's easy to get since it comes from the first event of the new DL live iirc (or maybe the second)
Hime Idol:
DL Live 11th has been announced. The recolor is actually very nice looking. I really like the necklace from this one.
http://idolmaster.jp/blog/?p=24326
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