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About character development.....
Freedomzz:
Wonder why I didn't ask to clarify earlier if some of my knowledge was absurdly flawed in the first place, my forgetfulness disgust me.....
If your opinion is "different", do you mind answer my very first question?
and thanks for the info :)
MetalPredat0r:
--- Quote from: Freedomzz on January 11, 2016, 02:33:40 pm ---For example, if somehow an Im@s fiction revealing Haruka/Uzuki (which most fans tend to accuse them for being one dimensional character) backstory, showing their hidden characteristic (and probably changing their personality in certain situation), does Haruka/Uzuki become well-rounded/developed character?
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--- Quote from: mariokirby on January 12, 2016, 12:09:50 am ---I don't know why most fans would say this about Haruka. I'm very convinced that those people don't know much about im@s, so you shouldn't take their opinions seriously.
I'm not considered as one of the im@s experts, but I feel Haruka has a background story and character development.
(I'll admit, not knowing Japanese does hold me back from fully understanding the individual im@s character. But, I do make an attempt going through the main games, dramas, etc and see what the experts say about it.)
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Not sure if they literally mean she has no personality or backstory (that'd be too extreme of a complaint) it's probably that the personality/backstory itself doesn't interest them.
Like with me. I'm not saying she's boring and has nothing to her, it's just that I personally don't have much interest in Haruka since she feels a bit vanilla for my tastes. I know, I like Uzuki so much yet I say Haruka is too vanilla for me. Am I hypocritical? No, mostly because they're both vanilla, but in different ways.
Haruka's vanilla is of the "I value my friends" variety. She does everything in her power to help out her friends or really anyone beside her. Uzuki's vanilla is of the "I want to reach my goal" variety. She wants to better herself and become the best person she can possibly be. Not saying they don't exhibit both traits respectively, it's just one has it more than the other. I prefer Uzuki's determination and self-improvement motives over Haruka's friendship and togetherness. Not saying Haruka's motives are a bad thing, it's just I personally attach to Uzuki's motives more.
I overall don't think Haruka is a bad character, just not one that catches my attention too much. For me, it's a case that it's not the character that's bad, it's just everyone surrounding her is more interesting to me.
Freedomzz:
In short, "the complaint" was probably one of sad fact of reality that even unpopular franchise (in the west) was plauged by haters/malicious trolls to dissuade anyone to even respect it.....
ChocoCats:
--- Quote from: mariokirby on January 12, 2016, 12:09:50 am ---I don't know why most fans would say this about Haruka. I'm very convinced that those people don't know much about im@s, so you shouldn't take their opinions seriously.
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People like Haruka because she's kind and considerate. People don't like Haruka because she's not that interesting of a character. I fall for the latter.
--- Quote from: MetalPredat0r on January 11, 2016, 06:06:26 pm ---In fiction, i.e. iM@S, I usually expect more than just a gimmick since you're trying to tell a story/shown us the characters in addition to entertaining. Although this isn't helped that some of the extremely gimmicky/bland idols don't have voices, let alone CDs and songs. >_>
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Gimmicky/Bland idols don't have voices because they're gimmicky/bland. However, that doesn't stop some of them from getting a voice (aka the anime).
--- Quote from: Freedomzz on January 12, 2016, 01:44:00 am ---In short, "the complaint" was probably one of sad fact of reality that even unpopular franchise (in the west) was plauged by haters/malicious troll to dissuade anyone to even respect it.....
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That's Genei Ibun Roku ♯FE in a nutshell (and many others like FE Fates). Can't blame them =v
Though, that applies to popular franchises, too. Youtube is a wonderful place for those. Doesn't help that a lot of anime stuff have bad reputation (and for a good reason, too).
Yukibro:
--- Quote from: Freedomzz on January 11, 2016, 02:33:40 pm ---I'm kinda curious, how do you define a character in fiction "average" or "developed"?
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Change over time. If you're developing a building, you're using a basic structure and adding onto it in various ways until the end product becomes more than that basic structure. In a similar way, developing a character means that they start off with a basic idea or impression yet end up different in the end through changing experiences. If a character goes from Point A (the start of an anime, let's say) to Point B (its end) and largely remains the same character, then that's what I would consider "average," though I'd rather use undeveloped instead.
On that note, I think the issue with iM@S as far as character development (and reflection on that) goes is that the various media are NOT going to be consistent. Let's look at Haruka. Haruka in the games is not entirely the same as Haruka in the anime or even Haruka in one of the manga or novels. That's not really a bad thing, since there may be certain works that can show a different side to the character, but I think there are clear basic ideas of Haruka as she is that can be traced throughout. You have basic things like her tripping and her baking skills or her passion for singing and becoming an idol. Yet certain other traits she has shown, from the extent of her kindness to her personal insecurities to even small quirks that come around in certain situations, are not going to be reflected the same way all the time. Like the anime presents her personality and insecurities around her concern for the other idols being together like she had hoped, while TWIAO plays off how both Haruka and Producer think and act similarly to show how she internalizes some of her concerns and tries to push herself too hard at times. This may be where personal taste comes into play, but I think an effective portrayal of any character, not just Haruka, is being able to establish those basics and then present a challenge to them AND make them convincing.
This can go on further, but all I wanted to point out was that the same character can be seen in different ways, and it's up to the skills and attention of the writer to convince us that the interpretation is valid. Different strokes is a thing for sure, since what attracts you isn't guaranteed to attract me, but I guess that's what discussion is for. Character forumssssss :P
--- Quote from: animagic4u on January 11, 2016, 03:31:11 pm ---I also don't feel like not having an interesting backstory makes for a weak character.
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Also this. A backstory is a means, not an end. Its potential to help make a character "interesting" can backfire just as badly as it could succeed, and not every character needs one.
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