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Learning Japanese Thread
« on: March 25, 2015, 06:29:14 am »
It's easier to learn Japanese than ever thanks to the internet and many easy to use free resources out there, so I thought I'd try making a new thread on this topic. Even with the help of fan translations over the years and a few officially translated things, there's still many things in iM@S that aren't available in English.

I figured these resources from DJT would be useful to start the thread off with, but if you have something to add that's not there feel free to mention it in the thread.

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DJT Starting Guide (A Must Read): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jrMXTVapkGlYSyQDwppETbz62ltcknJITQ7ll6bH8QM/edit?usp=sharing

DJT Reading List: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DkEYXMc9vKmrPFwVUrKdzT9UgDQV6JS0V7XhYuTCgto

Resources: http://pastebin.com/w0gRFM0c

Online Dictionary: http://jisho.org/ & http://beta.jisho.org/

Offline Digital Dictionary: http://www.tagaini.net/

Browser Kanji Checker (brings up info about kanji in text):
Example Image:

Chrome - https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/rikaikun/jipdnfibhldikgcjhfnomkfpcebammhp
Firefox - https://addons.mozilla.org/ja/firefox/addon/rikaichan/
Rikaisama has more features for Firefox - http://rikaisama.sourceforge.net/

Image Kanji Checker (brings up info about kanji in clear images): http://kanjitomo.com/

Mobile devices: http://pastebin.com/nv0iNQs2

DJT Cornucopia of Resources: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1y1TAjTLO4dCoyjRdka_bbzCkWoQjZyifYzFlYeH3fSo/

Anki Startup Guide: http://pastebin.com/xQ6qeQib

Japanese Sound Effects: http://thejadednetwork.com/sfx/



iM@S Kana Wallpapers: http://www.mediafire.com/?l31wdxjd1xfzqrn

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I think that having a place you can come back to and report your progress or ask questions is helpful when self studying.
« Last Edit: March 28, 2015, 05:11:47 am by Okayu »

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Re: Learning Japanese Thread
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2015, 07:44:39 am »
I sought to consider myself a charitable person, but time and again you leave me galvanized. Will look to your fine example and much is obliged for this thread, Okayu.
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Re: Learning Japanese Thread
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2015, 10:56:15 am »
There is one website i want to add: www.wanikani.com

It isn't free (the first 2 out of currently 50 levels are, after that it costs 8$ a month or 80$ a year) and it seems to be in permanent beta (just apply for it, you should get an invite in a few days), But it's very good at teaching you how to read kanji (only read, not write by hand, but who really needs that?). It uses a mixture of mnemonics through radicals and an SRS like Anki. With wanikani i learned to read over 1700 kanji in about 1.5 years, and about 5000 words composed of these kanji. It was a lot of work every day (about 2 hours a day i'd say), but it really paid out. It is what enabled me to actually understand the im@s plot, and to read manga and light novels. Kanji alone aren't enough, but you'll need the kanji if you want to enjoy most japanese media.
Wanikani has some drawbacks, but nevertheless it is very good if you stick with it. The beginning is slow and a lot of people complain in the forum about it, but as soon as you are level 3 this isn't an issue anymore and a few levels later you wish it was slower. You can deliberately slow it down and lessen your daily workload, but you can't speed it up.

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Re: Learning Japanese Thread
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2015, 01:30:47 pm »
There is one website i want to add: www.wanikani.com
I think the reason why wanikani wasn't included under the resources is because http://ankisrs.net/ does the same thing, but offers more decks to choose from, you can go at your own pace, set how many cards you want to do per day, etc. There's also https://www.memrise.com/ that acts like a more in depth online version of anki although it offers less decks.
« Last Edit: March 25, 2015, 02:03:15 pm by Okayu »

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Re: Learning Japanese Thread
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2015, 01:44:57 pm »
Thank you for making this topic, Okayu! I have a question: what does "nanto naku" mean in this context? なんとなく永遠だと思ったどこにも永遠なんてないのに  It reads as "nanto naku eien to omotta doko ni mo eien nante nai no ni". My translation: "I thought that ... ... eternity even though eternity is nowhere to be found".

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Re: Learning Japanese Thread
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2015, 02:01:14 pm »
Thank you for making this topic, Okayu! I have a question: what does "nanto naku" mean in this context? なんとなく永遠だと思ったどこにも永遠なんてないのに  It reads as "nanto naku eien to omotta doko ni mo eien nante nai no ni". My translation: "I thought that ... ... eternity even though eternity is nowhere to be found".
Nantonaku's definition is the following:
somehow or other; for some reason or another

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Re: Learning Japanese Thread
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2015, 02:01:57 pm »
There are quite a bunch of differences between Anki and Wanikani, personally i use both.

Anki is simply an SRS tool, and that's it, but it allows you to create your own decks and/or share them with others/use the decks others have created themselves. You can incorporate mnemonics in it, but most people/decks don't. I use Anki for words and kanji (and some grammar) i come accross and which i want to learn thoroughly. You can use Anki for anything, not just japanese.

Memrise is closer since it is more built around mnemonics. You can still create your own courses or use courses others have created, thus it can also be used for anything.

Wanikani on the other hand is custom tailored for kanji learning. There is a consistent concept in the mnemonics, though i have to admit they become worse and worse the further you come. It's broken up in levels, each level consists of roughly 30 kanji, 100 vocab and a varying number of radicals. First you learn the radicals of your level, once you have proven you know them, you unlock kanji using those radicals. Once you have proven that you know the most important meaning and reading of a kanji (you went through the SRS intervals of 4 hours, 8 hours, 1 day and 3 days), you unlock vocabulary using that kanji (that also teaches you alternate readings and/or meanings). Once you did this for 90% of the kanji of a level, you level up and unlock new radicals (as well as kanji made up of known radicals and vocabulary made up of known kanji).
This level method doesn't only ensure that you know the building blocks, it also gives a structure of what to learn in which order. And on top of it, it functions as an unexpectedly strong motivational factor. These are all things you don't have and can't do with Anki or Memrise. Even if you made a ton of decks, Anki always sorts the items by deck, it completes a deck first before it shows you the cards of the next deck, and thus you always have context for your items you don't have in real life (because of this i once merged a ton of decks i made into a single big one).

But i think the reason why wanikani is not included is because it's not free. I mentioned it because i had/have a great experience with it and can highly recommend it.


@liza: i often use beta.jisho.org as an online dictionary.

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Re: Learning Japanese Thread
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2015, 12:58:34 am »
But i think the reason why wanikani is not included is because it's not free. I mentioned it because i had/have a great experience with it and can highly recommend it.

@liza: i often use beta.jisho.org as an online dictionary.
Yeah that's true. I added jisho to the link list as well.

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Re: Learning Japanese Thread
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2015, 12:45:21 am »
Thank you for this. I want to learn Japanese so badly. I'll have to take a look at these sites!


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Re: Learning Japanese Thread
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2015, 02:32:53 am »
Thank you for this. I want to learn Japanese so badly. I'll have to take a look at these sites!
Good luck

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Re: Learning Japanese Thread
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2015, 03:52:55 am »
I use Tagaini Jisho as a dictionary, and save the words I don't know. Sometimes I don't have internet. There might be something better, but meh.
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Re: Learning Japanese Thread
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2015, 05:12:45 am »
I use Tagaini Jisho as a dictionary, and save the words I don't know. Sometimes I don't have internet. There might be something better, but meh.
Thanks, added that to the link list too.

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« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2015, 12:31:44 pm »
I use Tagaini Jisho as a dictionary, and save the words I don't know. Sometimes I don't have internet. There might be something better, but meh.

As an offline dictionary I use the free android app Japanese. It also let's you bookmark words and add notes to them. I use that feature to add them to anki later and still know where is saw them to add that sentence to anki as well as an example usage for the word.

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Re: Learning Japanese Thread
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2015, 02:47:12 am »
It seems that you left out the built in dictionary in Mac OS X as Apple has a Japanese/English dictionary and a Japanese dictionary built into the operating system since Leopard (Mountain Lion and later has The Wisdom English-Japanese Dictionary and Super Daijirin Japanese Dictionary), but they need to be enabled. The same with iOS devices.



(Note: 英辞郎, Eijiro is a English to Japanese dictionary, not an Japanese to English dictionary as they don't appear to have that out yet and it's not free. It's only useful for looking up the Japanese word from an English word and it provides more examples than Wisdom. They offer versions for various operating systems and electronic dictionaries.).

FYI, you don't need to install additional software to type Japanese since it's built into the operating system in most cases. I have the steps how to enable IMEs for OS X and Windows at my Practicing Japanese from Video Games wiki: http://gamewiki.ateliershiori.moe/doku.php?id=wiki:enabling_ime
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Re: Learning Japanese Thread
« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2016, 10:37:06 am »
Can anyone translate what this window says, please?