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MetalPredat0r:
--- Quote from: mariokirby on July 25, 2015, 08:59:07 am ---Idolm@ster is one of the few things that I believe actually doesn’t really follow this formula 100%. There was one manga (Idolm@ster mana) where a few idols were discussing about why they can’t love. But, for the most part Idolm@ster (including CG and ML) avoids this especially since the main protagonist (the producer) represents you. Of course, most of the time the idols are just teasing or having a crush. But, other times some idols fall in love. One example can be seen in Chihaya’s story in Idolm@ster 2 and One For All. I’m sure there are other examples of CG and ML characters who are seriously in love with the producer. And, it’s why I like Idolm@ster more compared to the other idol franchises where the concept of falling in love is strictly forbidden.
I personally share the West’s attitude and believe idols/singers should be able to fall in love since their work is a career.
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I heard the Cinderella Girls game has every single idol be able to fall in love with Producer.
Besides that, I never completely understood why Japan treats their idols and celebrities like this. I mean, you can chalk this up to cultural differences, but it's a cultural difference I can't seem to understand the reason for. To me, idols are essentially people that have careers and make more money than me. They fall in love, get married, have children, etc. They have lives outside the stage. I'm pretty sure idols are living human beings like the rest of us. :p
ChocoCats:
Honestly, Japanese idols and celebrities aren't really that different from our western counterpart by the way they're treated. The West is probably more open-minded about it, but that doesn't stop tabloids from happening.
Also, Korea (and some extensions, China) suffers from the same problem Japan has on their idols. And to be frank, the concept of idols in the East is hilariously silly and makes me wonder why people there would accept such a stupid concept in the first place. While I don't find it important enough to really hate it, it's enough to make my eyes roll.
MetalPredat0r:
--- Quote from: ChocoCats on July 25, 2015, 06:01:36 pm ---Honestly, Japanese idols and celebrities aren't really that different from our western counterpart by the way they're treated. The West is probably more open-minded about it, but that doesn't stop tabloids from happening.
Also, Korea (and some extensions, China) suffers from the same problem Japan has on their idols. And to be frank, the concept of idols in the East is hilariously silly and makes me wonder why people there would accept such a stupid concept in the first place. While I don't find it important enough to really hate it, it's enough to make my eyes roll.
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Tabloids will happen, but in the West it isn't nearly as taboo for a celebrity to be in a relationship as it seems in Japan, unless the celebrity is of the Disney teeny-bopper kind; however, that's more due to contractual reasons than anything else.
Maka:
From what I understand, it's only idols that get the no dating rule. It's due to their "pure" images, I think. Also, there's a lot more self-insertion going on with idols and fans? Like AKB made an app where you can mix your face with an idol's to make a baby. Which is creepy as hell. Meanwhile American starlets get almost pushed to be in relationships... And if there aren't any relationships or huge breakups going on, a tabloid will manufacture one.
It's the same base idea, where a female celeb's everything is considered public info, but with very different outcomes.
Virgofall:
--- Quote from: mariokirby on July 25, 2015, 08:59:07 am ---Idolm@ster is one of the few things that I believe actually doesn’t really follow this formula 100%. There was one manga (Idolm@ster mana) where a few idols were discussing about why they can’t love. But, for the most part Idolm@ster (including CG and ML) avoids this especially since the main protagonist (the producer) represents you. Of course, most of the time the idols are just teasing or having a crush. But, other times some idols fall in love. ... And, it’s why I like Idolm@ster more compared to the other idol franchises where the concept of falling in love is strictly forbidden.
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iM@S DOES refer to the concept in a few songs besides (We Have a Dream and Zenryoku Idol both say hi, and in Zenryoku that's the primary focus) - but despite the implications of romance, does it actually address the implications of fans actually finding out the idol is in love? That tends to be the larger issue I'm seeing here - with the producer, it's probably not as glaringly apparent as it'd be with some random person, since you'd have to expect the producer to be working on their idol's behalf to start with.
I'm not really sure if the point is addressed so far as Mai either (though she seems to be a special case, since she could make a comeback).
If there's a lot of self-insert involved when it comes to idols, I could also see iM@S' appeal as being forbidden fruit, too. After all, the forbidden thing is much more appealing.
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