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One For All: Gameplay thread
Setsuna:
--- Quote from: Naryoril on June 16, 2014, 05:18:32 pm ---i guess i'll try it out if i get the chance. Best is probably a skill which increases the rates and compare what happens when i do a memory appeal on the very first note of the song, with and without the skill.
Do you mean the skills which have the idol's image on the board, or the ones with the explosion like symbol?
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All skills that happen during the burst phase. This is (from memory) the actual burst skill itself (being the idol on grid) and any voltage reduction (basically, it assumes you appeal once for voltage damage on your rival).
I do know if you burst with an idol with an incomplete voltage reduction layout, it affects how much voltage your opponent loses on burst. Problem is, I don't know if it matters who's bursting, because it only really starts to matter towards endgame, and by that point I'm almost always triple bursting, so I'd always have the average calculated and I gear all my idols to have maximum group skills as a growth focus, so my average is always the maximum.
(Basically if it's an average, it should be same reduction no matter who starts, but if it takes individual grids who's bursting determines the reduction of the initial burst on your opponent. As you can guess, this applies only if you're solo/duo bursting.)
It's confusing, and highly technical... and mostly not very useful to know, to be honest, since the effects are very much marginal.
Naryoril:
i just saw that i have the perfect opportunity to test it, and so i did:
following setup:
Takane as leader, Azusa and Yukiho as support, doing Takanes rank up festival
always using the same songs and same costume and accessories, using the first song of the festival to fill the voltage bar, so i can burst on the very first appeal.
without the skill, they start the song at 100% for each appeal type, during the burst it is 207% and after the burst (not hitting any notes at all) 70%. It didn't matter whether Takane or Azusa bursted.
If Azusa learns the skill that increases the rates during burst it, it was 214% during the burst, not matter whether Azusa or Takane bursted.
This means it doesn't matter who bursts, at least this burst enhancing skill always works (only speaking about the ones that look like an explosion on the grid). I think it's pretty safe to assume this is true for all other skills of this type as well.
Now about memory appeal enhancing skills:
Same team, normal audition, using a memory appeal on the very first note
Start at 100%, score for visual +162, after the appeal the rates were 107%, no matter whether Takane or Azusa used the memory appeal.
Then Takane learned the skill which increases the rates when using a memory appeal.
Start at 100%, score for visual +169, after the appeal the rates were 111%, it didn't matter whether Takane or Azusa used the memory appeal.
Thus i conclude it's the same as with burst skills: The memory appeal skills (the ones with the heart on the grid) always count, no matter who uses the memory appeal.
Setsuna:
The question is though, how does it factor in? I mean, is it averaged over the idols?
Everything else is, (since we sort of proved that) so the question becomes 'do skills add on to each other, or do they add on then average out?'
The difference between the two would amount to 'It actually may be more perferable to run an idol with a full grid over a trio with no appeal related skills.' (Namely, if you don't have to average your skills, you don't suffer dilution)
In the end though it doesn't matter TOO much - since there's more benefits to running a group (Appeals, the ability to duo/trio appeal/burst and possibly additional stats) over the hypothetical scenario anyway.
Naryoril:
so if i get you right i could test it like this:
if i take an idol with the memory appeal boosting skill alone and do a memory appeal, i can check what the rates are afterwards. Then i go into a duo or trio, where only one has the skill and try it again. And for good measure i could try what happens when the idol with the skill is not the center. Since i'm only in the 6th season i do have idols without the memory appeal boosting skills, so i can easily test it.
I'll check this evening.
Naryoril:
ok, i did my tests now:
With Azusa solo, the rate after a memory appeal on the very first note was 110%. After adding Makoto and Haruka (both without the skill), the rate after a memory appeal on the very first note was 110% as well. When Makoto was the leader, with Azusa and Haruka as support, the rate after the memory appeal was 107%.
So the skills don't average out between the idols, but the skills are weaker on support idols.
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