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The iDOLM@STER anime - criticisms
« on: January 31, 2012, 06:02:03 am »
It's over and the topic board for episode 25 seemed to be less about Episode 25 and about things we didn't like with the anime from the beginning.
So ... here's this new thread to be where that discussion happens.

Main gripe that some of us had was the uneven character focus, so I guess we'll start there - if we actually want to I suppose.
Must learn Japanese one of these days ... T_T
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Re: The iDOLM@STER anime - criticisms
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2012, 07:06:06 am »
My main gripe personally was how really unbalanced the character focus was in the anime. I felt that Yayoi, Yukiho, and Hibiki got too little focus while Miki got too much focus. I like Chihaya but I felt that she got way too much focus as well in the second half of anim@s. Hell, Miki and Chihaya both got more focus than Haruka which surprised me considering Haruka is supposed to be the "Main Heroine" in im@s.

The show got off to a pretty slow start in the beginning and I felt that there were too many filler episodes in the first half of the show.

Also, as a Yukiho fan I didn't like how she got so much hate over the anime. I will admit they did kind of overexaggerate her fears of dogs and men in her own episode but still, all the hate she got among anime only fans over that kind of pissed me off. But like I said I don't expect everyone else to be sheep and love Yukiho just because I do, but I just couldn't stand all the hate she was getting over anim@s. But on the bright side, at least she got some good moments with her b-day and Little Match girl.

But out of all the idols I think Hibiki and Yayoi got the worst treatment. I don't feel like they did anything eventful at all during the show even in their own episodes. Hibiki's episode wasn't even that good and they somehow managed to turn Yayoi's episode into an Iori episode.

Other than what I said above I thought the show overall was pretty good.




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Re: The iDOLM@STER anime - criticisms
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2012, 07:18:04 am »
That last concert was ridiculously underwhelming. It was so underwhelming, I actually really disliked the song and outfit until I came back some time later and watched it again. I then realized they both weren't that bad. Even with that said, I don't think that song was very "final concert of last episode" worthy.

Same thing with the ending theme for the last ep. I think it was called Issho. Very boring choice for the last episode. I'm not saying make it hard core epic, but a song like Massugu or i would have been a better choice (though those two songs were already used).

I kind of wish there was more interaction between characters that don't usually interact. I'm not harsh on the show in this regard, though, since there's only so much they can do since they packed a lot of events in the show.

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Re: The iDOLM@STER anime - criticisms
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2012, 08:25:21 am »
Overall I didn't really have too many gripes with the show.  I agree there was quite a bit of filler episodes, and that there could have been more focus on certain characters.  In Haruka's case, the episodes that she was in the spotlight, most of the time felt depressing. 

I actually though the final performance song was pretty good (and I'll most likely pick it up if it comes out as DLC).  If anything though, I was expecting a little more out of the ending.  I'm a little surprised at how little rivalry there was between 765 idols and Jupiter throughout the series, but I guess it would have turned out like the game otherwise.
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Re: The iDOLM@STER anime - criticisms
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2012, 09:18:47 am »
about the ending: afaik there will be a 26th episode on the disc release of the series. maybe we'll get something better there

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Re: The iDOLM@STER anime - criticisms
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2012, 09:59:55 pm »
The anime is so difficult for me. I was happy for its creation and it basically did what I intended and expected for it to do: represent the game franchise and overall culture of the iDOLM@STER in a way that is true to the series.
However the anime itself has so many things I cannot stand I can't even begin to lay down a list of what is wrong.

That last concert was ridiculously underwhelming. It was so underwhelming, I actually really disliked the song and outfit until I came back some time later and watched it again. I then realized they both weren't that bad. Even with that said, I don't think that song was very "final concert of last episode" worthy.

This. Especially the sequence of Ready! and Change!. It was so miserably animated, already seen and overused costumes, so dry, so overheard already. It was so distasteful. Then whatever that trip sequence with the trees was...I didn't even like or get the song.

Main gripe that some of us had was the uneven character focus, so I guess we'll start there - if we actually want to I suppose.

Incredibly uneven to the point of an animation error.
Kotori gets no love even in a scene about her. In the bar scene featuring Kotori, in the picture her mole is the wrong location.
Not that Kotori deserves much attention, but still.


Yet, I liked the anime as a whole...so it sits well with me.

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Re: The iDOLM@STER anime - criticisms
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2012, 10:11:50 pm »
Overall, I don't think there was much that bothered me about the anime in general (not talking about Xenglossia), but definitely represented the games a whole lot better than Xenoglossia. Heck, few of the arcs take some elements from the game, more so with Yayoi and Chihaya. On the other hand, there is one thing that kind of bothered me and it's Kuroi. He and Jupiter almost ruined Hibiki's Episode during Episode 16, causing much rage. Other than that, the second half is where the series was at its strongest, especially towards the end.

If you want to read more about my final thoughts, I probably said it better in my Episode 25 post - http://chikorita157.com/2011/12/23/the-idolmster-episode-25-end-the-2nd-live-performance/

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Re: The iDOLM@STER anime - criticisms
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2012, 03:13:11 am »
My beef with the anime is that Haruka kidnapped a kid and got away with it.  Some role model.  :(

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Re: The iDOLM@STER anime - criticisms
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2012, 07:10:46 am »
My main gripe personally was how really unbalanced the character focus was in the anime. I felt that Yayoi, Yukiho, and Hibiki got too little focus while Miki got too much focus. I like Chihaya but I felt that she got way too much focus as well in the second half of anim@s. Hell, Miki and Chihaya both got more focus than Haruka which surprised me considering Haruka is supposed to be the "Main Heroine" in im@s.
The anime is so difficult for me. I was happy for its creation and it basically did what I intended and expected for it to do: represent the game franchise and overall culture of the iDOLM@STER in a way that is true to the series.

Ditto, to a point.  Some episodes were hits, and some were misses - I'll probably get into that when I go through my list of favourite characters - at least, their anime performances I suppose.  Hits, I'd argue 13, 20, and 24 were good, and as Misses - ... well, 25's the biggest miss of all.
And the characters in the episodes - I wonder if anyone has a statistic of how many times Miki hijacked everything.  Sometimes it was fine - when she acted serious - Episode 8 and 13 come to mind (You'll have to do two intensive dance songs - So what, I'll try.) - but when it got selfish and annoying - Episodes ... too many to list ... you get the picture.

That last concert was ridiculously underwhelming. It was so underwhelming, I actually really disliked the song and outfit until I came back some time later and watched it again. I then realized they both weren't that bad. Even with that said, I don't think that song was very "final concert of last episode" worthy.

Same thing with the ending theme for the last ep. I think it was called Issho. Very boring choice for the last episode. I'm not saying make it hard core epic, but a song like Massugu or i would have been a better choice (though those two songs were already used).

I kind of wish there was more interaction between characters that don't usually interact. I'm not harsh on the show in this regard, though, since there's only so much they can do since they packed a lot of events in the show.

Says all you really need to know about Ep 25.  The concert seemed a bit weird, the Ready/Change combo was really awkward, ... and in closing ... Massugu would have made a brilliant ending song.  i, which they used to end Episode 13 would have also been acceptable.
Where the hell did they pull Issho from?

about the ending: afaik there will be a 26th episode on the disc release of the series. maybe we'll get something better there

A 26th episode?  Say what????

My beef with the anime is that Haruka kidnapped a kid and got away with it.  Some role model.  :(

I'm confused as to if the kid was even there.  I mean, it was a kid, who somehow morphed into a mini Haruka, who then morphed into Haruka of Episode 13, who then ... disappeared?
I think Haruka should lay off the sweets for a bit, right?  XD

Eep - probably too long.  Just wanted to get back into this convo type thing
Must learn Japanese one of these days ... T_T
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Re: The iDOLM@STER anime - criticisms
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2012, 09:50:36 am »
A 26th episode?  Say what????

I don't know where i originally read about it but i just checked at CD japan (where i preordered it)

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=ANZB-6817

Especially this part: "From the anime series "The Idolmaster (THE IDOLM@STER)." Features episode 24 and 25 plus an extra part."

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Re: The iDOLM@STER anime - criticisms
« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2012, 02:56:32 pm »
Oh was the ending as bad as Oreimo or Evangelion that we need another episode to explain it?
Because I thought it was just fine.

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Re: The iDOLM@STER anime - criticisms
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2012, 03:22:04 pm »
afaik it's not so rare nowadays that the disc release of a series includes an extra episode. Just see it as a bonus for the people who buy the discs.

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Re: The iDOLM@STER anime - criticisms
« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2012, 03:26:07 pm »
Well it's so vauge. I imagine it could just be something like the extra kitchen ep added on one of the discs.

Oh well, it will end up on the internet as soon as the DVDs are out, so we shall see. ^^

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Re: The iDOLM@STER anime - criticisms
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2012, 03:44:56 pm »
yeah, it could be something absolutely meaningless, but it could also be a fitting end, or a transition into season 2
i'll see when i get the Disc, the problem just is that i won't really understand it until i donload a fansub :p

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Re: The iDOLM@STER anime - criticisms
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2012, 06:43:07 pm »
I'm confused as to if the kid was even there.  I mean, it was a kid, who somehow morphed into a mini Haruka, who then morphed into Haruka of Episode 13, who then ... disappeared?
I think Haruka should lay off the sweets for a bit, right?  XD

I was just kidding, but yeah, that was weird.  I was so horrified when someone compared that scene to Perfect Blue.  I don't want to see an Amamimaniac.    :-[