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The Stop Piracy Online Act and im@s requests/recording.
Neko-P:
I guess that's true, but then again, this is only beginning, and already it's too broad and unfocused, plus it opens the door to OTHER censorship venues, and I'd rather we didn't follow China's example here. It's not a good system, and I can't find anyway to salvage it as-written.
animagic4u:
--- Quote from: Neko-P on November 18, 2011, 11:46:35 pm ---I guess that's true, but then again, this is only beginning, and already it's too broad and unfocused, plus it opens the door to OTHER censorship venues, and I'd rather we didn't follow China's example here. It's not a good system, and I can't find anyway to salvage it as-written.
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Well I don't think this is considered censorship...afterall, people have the right to protect their creations and if we want it we should purchase it legally.
If it got to censorship I think it would be unconstitutional. But they always propose these things and never pass or take several tries.
Setsuna:
--- Quote from: animagic4u on November 18, 2011, 11:31:01 pm ---Exactly! Everyone is spreading the word, my brother just read about it on Equestria Daily.
I don't know if it will pass though...and even if it does, I don't see how things will be much more different. After all, isn't it the owner's job to sue the person? If the owner doesn't care (like in the case of iDOLM@STER or several games) then nothing will happen, right?
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Well, I've been following it on and off and its variants for years (And it's why I've been busy doing non im@s work for nearly a month) and sadly, it's lost me a couple of friends and a few freelance positions. I could be bitter about how people didn't want to pay attention when it could have been shut down trivally, but a successful block at the last second is better than none at all.
But then again, I'm used to it - I do a lot of analyst work, and you learn people don't care and don't want to be told the truth.
It's also has been tried several times, with a lot of blocks... and one successful attempt - the DCMA, which caused enough problems as it is (but we sort of lived with it now, if only because of the fact that it didn't try to declare US law as the law of this planet)
The biggest problem is the fact that it moves the requirements of prosecution from the IP owner to the government, and makes it a criminal offense. In turn this causes further issues.
The next on the list is mostly the fact that you can make it do almost everything more or less.
RoninatorMarx:
Am I right to believe that this bill is being passed for the money? I mean, I'm sure the senate won't financially benefit if this law passes (or will they?), but assuming that this is an American law and proposed on American ground, I'm pretty sure it's meant to suck some cash out of the people here. I mean, let's face it- no company's gonna give you rights to display their media for free, right? And let's not get to the consequences of that.
--- Quote from: Setsuna on November 19, 2011, 12:10:07 am ---But then again, I'm used to it - I do a lot of analyst work, and you learn people don't care and don't want to be told the truth.
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Us? If so, I must apologize. Normally, our whimsical nature activates and would not be concerned of things like bills and real life events unless if it's really big or brought into our attention. Also, basing this on the people I see around me, the Americans have high faith that this bill will not pass for obvious reasons.
Setsuna:
--- Quote from: RoninatorMarx on November 19, 2011, 12:40:50 pm ---Am I right to believe that this bill is being passed for the money? I mean, I'm sure the senate won't financially benefit if this law passes (or will they?), but assuming that this is an American law and proposed on American ground, I'm pretty sure it's meant to suck some cash out of the people here. I mean, let's face it- no company's gonna give you rights to display their media for free, right? And let's not get to the consequences of that.
Us? If so, I must apologize. Normally, our whimsical nature activates and would not be concerned of things like bills and real life events unless if it's really big or brought into our attention. Also, basing this on the people I see around me, the Americans have high faith that this bill will not pass for obvious reasons.
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It's a... bit more complicated than that - money's a huge part of it, but it's more to do with future control of production, and basically 'future profits and control of those profits' would be a better answer, though even that's not entirely accurate. I could go into a long spiel about copyright, creativity, the product life cycle and a lot of other stuff, but do you want me to give that lecture?
Among other strange oddities, you find that copyright swiping actually was how major countries grew, and how major players of today (Who want to enforce this law) became the players they are now. It makes for... interesting reading.
You're also ignoring how copyright was designed to work, public domain, fair use and a hell of a lot of other stuff (not including the amendments in the United States and the Declaration of Human Rights of the UN). Well, to be fair, I don't think ignore is the correct word, since most people aren't taught this stuff.
For most part, it's explictly targetted OUTSIDE the US, because it's designed (on the face of it) to target entities that aren't actually subject to US law. Basically, the cutoff provisions are designed for entities that can't be reached by arrest. Like say, those in the Netherlands.
It in effect declares economic war on everyone else. I wish I was making hyperbole with that statement, but what else do you call a country declaring economic dominion over everyone else by fiat and enforces it by aggressive unilateral actions?
Speaking about those lovely congress members, they've already benefited quite a bit from the lobbying from the entertainment industry. Part of it is their shareholdings, various donations (You should read the donation declarations from various sponsors of the bill, they're interesting reading.) and other icky bits of politics.
The other problem is one of complatency - I distinctly recall other major initiatives that 'claimed to be defeated' because of popular sentiment and were proclaimed dead because of how hugely unpopular they were. Other remembered examples included the GM bailout, TARP and the DMCA itself.
Forgive me if I don't like those odds. (If you're wondering, all of those had an opposition rate of something in the 90-97% range. Yes, it was that high. TARP in particular was 300:1) Some of the antics were straight out 'I have to salute you for doing something that shouldn't have worked' because even I underestimated just how audacious things can get.
I mean, I thought people didn't like daylight robbery of trillions of dollars at gunpoint, but well... I guess the US was fine with it happening twice in three years. Who would have suspected I'd be wrong? I mean really...
As for my note about how people tend to not want to know about the truth, it's hardly aimed at anyone in particular, and is a general observation (although a bitter one) which I've learnt over the years while being in the field.
You just tend to find that people ignore you for the years prior when you can fix it, then suddenly believe you minutes before it happens.
I can give an example of a friend of mine (who's still my friend by the way) who once told me (and he remembers) how no one gave a damn about the economic events of 2007 when I talked about about the rampant fraud and the like and quite publicly told me off about how no one wanted to hear it.
Funny thing is, if people acted in 2007 (for example) we'd probably wouldn't see the US in the economic mess we're in now. Thing is, he recognises the fact that he should have paid attention, and actually recognised the problem for what it is.
Of course, the actions that were available to fix the issues in 2007 aren't available in 2011 (or at least all of them). That's the nature of letting problems like the ones I've been looking at fester - they're not really a problem until they are, and this is due to the logaramthic nature of them.
I'd note your comment about how people don't pay attention to the world unless they're so massive they're impossible to ignore and/or they get brought to their attention by someone else probably just proves the point: People don't react until it's almost too late (or when it is too late) and they simply don't (and seemingly can't) care about anything outside their own small circles.
And that's the way things are. I accept that as a part of my life, and unfortunately, I must recognise it.
But forgive the optimism - maybe people will change, even if it's too late.
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