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Cael K.:
--- Quote from: novap on April 26, 2015, 06:29:42 pm ---Thank you for the answer.
So, on the other hand, if I just want to empower my deck a little with a mediocre 14 cost S Rare, it's enough to max their affection and level them around 30-40ish of 60 to be a nice addition, at the cost of her becoming slightly weaker than her max, and of course having a low trade cost, right? Or is that an absolute no-go?
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Some idol cards get weak stat bumps at low levels, and get higher stat bumps at high levels. Some are the opposite, and some get constant stat bumps no matter what level they get.
But if you're only lookin' for a small boost to your ATK or DEF, then yeah, pretty much. (EDIT: But only if you don't plan on upgrading.) First post has some links to power calculations, but here's the distilled version.
http://forum.project-imas.com/index.php/topic,1428.msg34806.html#msg34806
I think max hearts on an upgraded idol was Base * .375, though.
Steve:
not getting max level is a MISTAKE! (i've been there, ruined an S rare like that)
If you get max level, then the idol takes 10% of the stats where as with anything less, even 59, it only takes 5%.
Max affection can be left out for just a minor decrease (few hundred per idol) but the level decrease is HUGE (thousands of stats).
--- Quote from: Cael K. on April 26, 2015, 07:10:49 pm ---I think max hearts on an upgraded idol was Base * .375, though.
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Nono, careful, max heart x2 is only 0.1125
here is the complete chart:
0.1****: 完全無育成 * 2
0.10625: 完全無育成 + 親愛Bのみ
0.1125*: 親愛Bのみ * 2
0.3****: 完全無育成 + LvMAX
0.30625: 親愛Bのみ + LvMAX
0.3125*: 完全無育成 + Lv親愛完全MAX
0.31875: 親愛Bのみ + Lv親愛完全MAX
0.5****: LvMAX * 2
0.5125*: LvMAX + Lv親愛完全MAX
0.525**: Lv親愛完全MAX * 2
so as you can see max level x2 is a huge difference, adding the max affection is not that big of a deal after that but ma level is a must for the extra 10% of each instead of just 5%.
Cael K.:
I think I know the site you got those numbers from... can't remember where it is, but I do my calculations a bit differently. I go from base stat on the non-upgraded card, then calculate up. The numbers can be a little off, but only by a few points.
Max hearts on a non-upgraded card gets .125 of the base stat in a bonus.
Level ups give a total of 1.5 times the base stat in bumps (so they'll end up with 2.5 times their base stat). The max heart bonus is added on top of that.
Max upgrade adds +10% of the card's stat to the new card. Non-max is +5%. I'm pretty sure you round up... but it might be round nearest.
Base stats on an upgraded card is 1.2 times the non-upgraded card. They get the upgrade bonus after that 1.2.
Max heart on an upgraded card is .375 times the upgraded card's base stat (or .45 times the regular card's base stat).
So... getting max heart on a 1000 ATK idols grants a +125 ATK bonus to that idol.
That idol will gain 1500 ATK from levels, ending up with 2500 ATK. Max hearts and max levels mean her ATK can get to 2625.
Upgrading with a full max card will give you around a +263 bonus for that card (2625 * .1, round up). If you've got two, then you get a total of around +526.
The upgraded idol will have a base stat of 1200 ATK (1000 * 1.2, but you can look it up on the wiki or something). With a double max upgrade, you're lookin' at around 1756 ATK at level 1.
Max heart on the upgraded idol (double max or not) is +450 (1200 * .375).
When you max a regular 1000 ATK card, you'll get 1000 (base stat) + 1500 (max level) + 125 (max heart) = 2625.
When you max two 1000 ATK cards and upgrade them, you'll get a level one card at 1200 (upgraded card base stat) + 263 (first card max upgrade) + 263 (second card max upgrade) = 1726.
When you double max a 1000 ATK card, then max that card, you get a maximum of 1200 (upgraded card base stat) + 1800 (max level) + 450 (upgraded max heart) + 526 (double max upgrade) = 3976.
If you look at Chika's N stats, they'll come out to the same. The upgrade bonus can be off by a point or two for other idols' cards, but it gets you pretty close. If I'm remembering right, the site with those numbers does calculations backwards from the stats on an upgraded card to get some multiplier or coefficient. I calculate forwards starting with the regular card, and compare it to what I see an upgraded card has. I think it's easier that way.
Steve:
Ah yes, the website does this as a calculation to determine what the person used to upgrade the card, I already mentioned in my previous post a page or 2 back but I can repost since its useful.
Where I got the stats is http://www18.atwiki.jp/imas_cg/pages/240.html which is very useful site, its under the "Q.MAX特訓って何？ 親愛ボーナスとか無特訓のキャラって、どうやって見分けるの？" the numbers are the result of the formula to determine the used isols.
What they link to is the checker http://nanairo.info/imas_cg/mainte-check.php where you put in this order:
current stat on a + card: #####
base stat on a non upgraded card: ####
Is affection max? NO / YES
What's the current level? 1 / MAX
then it will tell you the result according to the table listed in the first website or a variant that can happen, for example it can be like Affection max only x2 OR it can be like non upgraded + upgraded to lvl 40 only etc.
Usually the occams razor works there, the solution with the least amount of assumption is the correct one so often times its like people forget to MAX or people only MAX etc.
A while ago I actually bought one of these ripoff S rare+s for 2 drinks thinking how good of a deal I got only to later find that its missing like 4000 attack, the regular price was 6 and I barely managed to sell it back for 3 but it took like 9 free trade tickets (3x listed). I mean I got the album entry for her I guess so maybe it was worth it xD
But yeah for novap: especially if you don't have verified account you should squeeze what you can before you upgrade, there is no going back and it doesn't take that much effort, MAX love is super easy during an event or just during a day with LIVEs, you only need 40 on each, max level doesn't take that long either since you get lot of idols, money and trainers from events so just use those (don't use master trainers on S rares if you plan to upgrade them later). Once you get verified you can easily buy all those cheap 17/18 cost S rares and upgrade them with idols from FPs (usually comes out cheaper than if you were to buy S rare + and as I mentioned earlier level max 3 times is not worth even a drink).
SakuraMaxX:
--- Quote from: novap on April 26, 2015, 06:29:42 pm ---Thank you for the answer.
So, on the other hand, if I just want to empower my deck a little with a mediocre 14 cost S Rare, it's enough to max their affection and level them around 30-40ish of 60 to be a nice addition, at the cost of her becoming slightly weaker than her max, and of course having a low trade cost, right? Or is that an absolute no-go?
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No, for the love of god please max level and get max affection for anything you plan on merging. Leveling is tedious, but the auto-leveler (which was discussed a page or so ago on this thread) makes it so much easier.
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