BlackBerry App World charges $200 for every 10 uploads

[Raestloz]

So, yeah. I tried to register as a BlackBerry App World vendor so I can upload my THE iDOLM@STER MOBILE theme

Imagine my surprise when I see this:
1) $200 for registration, 10 upload slot
2) Uploads for different versions are free (technical specs for each device is different)
3) Updates/upgrades for the same file takes one slot
4) $200 for another 10 slots

They say registration fee is free for "a limited time", but I can't risk my mom's money for a measly free fanwork, since it requires verified PayPal account to register. I have to make sure the amount in my account is less than $200 before I try anything funny

I know that if you charge $4 and 50 people purchase it you're golden, but what about free developers? Shouldn't they just charge for paid apps?

Do Android Marketplace impose fees like this?

[RoninatorMarx]

Not something that could help you but what the hell? You pay to have your uploaded stuff, even if they're free? You're probably be better off posting it elsewhere and advertise it (Your signature here, maybe?) D:

[Raestloz]

Not something that could help you but what the hell? You pay to have your uploaded stuff, even if they're free? You're probably be better off posting it elsewhere and advertise it (Your signature here, maybe?) D:

That's the problem. I can understand that they'd want to charge people that wants to sell stuff in App World, but charging for free apps?

It's lunacy, that's what I say.

It's not like everybody has $200 for spending spree. I know this makes shitty people less likely to spew out shitty apps, but then you have goddamned Fortunatus, which requires you to see it yourself and not have someone else tell you to know just how shitty it is

It makes us wonder just how problematic being an independent developer is, and just how much money you need to even make the ball before rolling it, and how it doesn't stop bad guys being bad guys

[Scotty]

Wait. You thought you could upload an app to appworld for free? You thought it worked like youtube?

*snicker*

No. Why do people feel like this is the case? Why are people so misinformed?
Submitting applications for Android is free.


Android is best. Always.

[Raestloz]

I have to say right here and right now that I DO NOT like the way you speak Scotty. It doesn't make you unique. It makes you look like an ass, for lack of better word that can be conveyed without trying to assault the target

It makes me wonder how such a provocative way of speaking can get you a Moderator title, or how it hasn't taken it from you yet. There is a reason the title is called "Moderator" and not "Post and Thread Deleter", a reason which doesn't seem to apply to you

You are not a Protoss Dark Templar that knows everything, and everybody else is not a Zergling that knows nothing but idiocy.

I know you're trying to get away with it by slipping something that is related to topic, but that won't work

Normally (as in in other forum), people are banned for assaulting a Moderator in the open, but my opinion is worth the risk. If I have to leave to strip you of a title you hardly know, let alone deserve, so be it.

[Magenta Galaxy]

It may make me unpopular but I'm forced to agree. That constant tone of condescending negativity directed at everyone other than oneself does nothing to contribute to either a positive, welcoming tone in these forums and very rarely does it contribute anything to a discussion.

Whilst being a relative newcomer here it probably isn't quite as much my place to call into question Scotty's deservingness of his position - he's had it since long before I joined this place - it does strike me that so many of his posts really seem to have overall negative effects on the topics in which they're posted. Is that, in and of itself, not perhaps an idealized definition of what deserves moderation? Whilst an inability to post well oneself is not necessarily an obstacle to noticing when other people aren't posting well, I do have to wonder what exactly Scotty contributes around here besides making other people feel bad for posting with the best of intentions.

Watching such negativity gets tiresome after a while. I can only imagine what it must be like to spew it.

[Sev]

Hey guys don't be putting the hate on Scotty. He's 961 its in his nature to sound a little pompous but he's always had the forums interest at heart. This guy would stay up late battling Ad-bots and trolls until good ole Yuna could come in and swing in the ban-hammer. He may seem a little mean but he's never abused his moderator title. In fact despite my being one of his 765 enemies he had my back when i came under some troll fire after I had first joined. Whenever he uses his moderation authority its always with a fair and balanced since of judgment. When he says things that may seem mean he's not saying them as a Moderator he's saying them as a fellow member.

More on topic I think because Blackberry is a more business oriented phone they charge for free app creation because they assume that the ones making them have a little bit of money to throw around.

[Raestloz]

Alright, so maybe he works well, but you don't try to troll or incite flame wars when you're a Moderator, whose job is primarily to combat trolls and douse fires from flame wars

As Magenta Galaxy pointed out, Scotty's posts are by themselves worthy of moderation. A working machine is all good, but you don't employ a working machine that will try to drive your customers away every 5 minutes, no matter how good it is at its job

Just as Barrack Obama won't say stupid things behind "I say this as a fellow American citizen, not an American president", a Moderator should not take cover behind "I'm playing my role" or "I'm saying this as myself, not a Moderator" gimmicks

I have had enough of all that bullpoop.

More on topic, they should, after all think of smaller developers. They can always charge for business oriented categories (there is a "Business" category after all), but for entertainment purposes free stuff should be free, either for download or upload (there is an "Entertainment" category after all)

Free developers won't make anything for uploading a free stuff, even lose $200 for trying to develop something for BlackBerry

[Scotty]

Seems those last couple of posts would have been more suitable as a PM.

I can count all the instances I've ever had to 'moderate' in one hand. Besides the whole deleting pages and pages of bots...but whatever. I'm sure there was an easier way to handle that. Basically, I don't moderate much at all, I only clean up when needed. I'm sure many of you would look up to a moderator as some sort of role model, a ruler as to how to behave, and that's normal. I find it sorta childish though. I've only been here a long time, and people liked me. That's why I mop the floors now. And I'm completely fine with it. Don't like my attitude? Deal, because I've never directly attacked someone, nor have I offended anyone personally.

Back to the topic at hand, Blackberry has a terrible business model, and as a brand, it's more for the enterprise, not for your average person looking for a phone capable of more than just calls and text. I've seen how RIM hasn't budged from this stone age strategy of theirs, and this is the reason why they're basically last. Apple, Android, and WebOS show constant improvements in the right direction, and RIM doesn't seem to be garnering attention anytime soon apart from that new Playbook of theirs. That's actually something cool that they did. But it doesn't count, it's not a smartphone.

So Raestloz, since the beginning of your theme project, I thought it was nice, but as I pointed out....."Blackberry?!" I kinda saw it would have been wasted effort. Sorry if I never actually said that before.
I'm not too savvy with RIM and BB and all that, but isn't there a way to just upload the theme on the net and have users download it from there ala Android? It seriously seems that would have to be the only way...

[Raestloz]

Seems those last couple of posts would have been more suitable as a PM.

I can count all the instances I've ever had to 'moderate' in one hand. Besides the whole deleting pages and pages of bots...but whatever. I'm sure there was an easier way to handle that. Basically, I don't moderate much at all, I only clean up when needed. I'm sure many of you would look up to a moderator as some sort of role model, a ruler as to how to behave, and that's normal. I find it sorta childish though. I've only been here a long time, and people liked me. That's why I mop the floors now. And I'm completely fine with it. Don't like my attitude? Deal, because I've never directly attacked someone, nor have I offended anyone personally.

Another cover to get away with being an ass. Like I pointed out, there is a reason the title is called "Moderator" and not "Post and Thread Deleter" or "Law Enforcer". Just because you try not to piss a specific someone off doesn't mean it doesn't piss anyone off, just as how cops will arrest you if you sell drugs on the street, despite the fact you never anyone to use it

Enforcing rules, everything will be stricter. Choose your words wisely.

Those are your own goddamned words Scotty. Either you forget about what wise words look like or you choose not to live up to your own words

So Raestloz, since the beginning of your theme project, I thought it was nice, but as I pointed out....."Blackberry?!" I kinda saw it would have been wasted effort. Sorry if I never actually said that before.

I never had any problem with you not liking my themes, or with you seeing it as wasted effort, it is a matter of choice. I simply want to do something for the franchise I love in a way that I know I can do. But the way you mock me and others as if they're simpletons with knowledge WAY below you in any endeavor is an entirely different matter

I ask of you nothing but drop down that faulty attitude and state only the important things whenever you post Scotty. I've seen nothing but the usual group posting in this forums, do not potentially scare away newcomers with that attitude

If a moderator can mock other members as he please, how should a regular member act? What of the forum itself? I've never seen a moderator in an honest forum like this do what you did Scotty. You're the first, and it doesn't make you unique

[Scotty]

Pretty sure paying to upload an application of any sort to the App World would have been common knowledge to anyone....you know...developing an app for the App World.

You can dissect me as much as you want man, I don't see what good it'll do you. 

[Raestloz]

You clearly lack common sense Scotty

I tried to register as

Someone trying to register for the first time would never have known what is in store for him

Whatever Scotty, I've said what I want and have to say. You act like an ass very convincingly. It's a shame this forum does not have a "block user" feature, I would have blocked you the 5th time I saw you acting like an ass, but alas, Kaminos expected people to behave well and thus be friends forever. Not with me and you. I consider you a ghost and will never react to your posts again

Thanks for giving me a bad time for the whole time I've seen your posts