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Takane Shijou: Asperger's syndrome?
« on: June 11, 2017, 05:42:46 AM »
(minor spoilers for the anime I guess) Now this isn't a new headcanon by any stretch of the imagination, but I feel that some of Takane's behavior could be interpreted as symptoms of Asperger's; her overly formal manner of speaking, her tendencies to take things literally (ex., when she told Haruka to go to the hospital when she said her heart was beating out of her chest.), her confusion when one of the people interviewing her in episode one applauded her for her "joke", her high level of awareness of her surroundings, the way she talked only about food during a radio talk-show in episode 19 without seeing how awkward it made things, how, when Chihaya get upset when she told her "Everybody he has secrets they want hidden, don't you, Kisaragi?" (Or something like that) she barely reacted, while Haruka actively asked her if she's okay. She also seems to be closer to some of the younger idols, like Yayoi or Ami and Mami, rather than ones closer to her age, like Ritsuko or Haruka.

I could totally be projecting, but does anybody else agree/disagree/have any similar mental health-related headcanons about the rest of the cast?

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Re: Takane Shijou: Asperger's syndrome?
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2017, 10:22:04 AM »
That's quite plausible.

It might help to examine her background, something the anime hadn't covered, even if this discussion might span over multiple visions. In Wandering Star, it is hinted that Takane had a strict and sheltered upbringing, so that might lessen her opportunities to socialise with her peers. This, in turn, helped the syndrome to develop. To illustrate this point, she never went out shopping for clothes with her friends, if there's any; she let Jiiya, a middle-aged man do it instead.

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Re: Takane Shijou: Asperger's syndrome?
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2017, 07:31:03 PM »
Takane is a rather.....unique individual. As Verita V. has already brought up, Takane did live a very sheltered up bringing in a very rich household. So she's probably not 100% sure how to interact with others her age as well as she should. (bringing up the nature vs nurture debate)

Also you cannot go by just the anime in its representation of Takane as the anime did little to develop any of the characters whose names weren't Haruka, Miki, or Chihaya.

Takane is a regal person trying to keep up the "Ohime-sama" persona she has created for herself. She's always trying to act dignified....even if she is a goofball at heart....and that can come off as behaving weirdly/awkwardly with others. She is also airheaded and things tend to go over her head.

If you also look at the various manga series she is also close with Hibiki (paired as being best friends in most manga adaptions) and Chihaya (as they are in a unit Kachou Fuugetsu in The world is all one!!). Other than the twins always wanting to be near their "Ohime-chin" Takane interacts with the other idols just as much and seems to get along with everyone due to her easygoing and lighthearted nature.

I would say Takane is closest with Hibiki, Futami twins, Chihaya, Yukiho, Azusa, and Yayoi due to the interactions she has with them.

Also Takane is book smart.....not street smart....so that may have a bit to do with it.


Some copy and paste from the Takane thread on the other server I'm on. Basically my whole theory on Takane:

There is question to Takane being pressured by her family to be something......or well someone they are trying to mold her to be.

"You have to assume that her family (Takane's) has some kind of plan set for her with very high expectations....why would you want your kid to speak multiple languages unless you have something planned for them? If you take the ridiculous assassin plot (from im@s2) and make it into something believable. Most like what happened was: her adoptive parents have her betrothed to the son of another rich family. Parents want Takane to finally just grow up, quit the idol nonsense, and marry the guy already. Takane, being her unconventional and stubborn self, most likely wouldn't be willing to roll with this and created some kind of elaborate story to get the Producer to help her perhaps get out of the engagement somehow. The "assassins" sent to get her are just her family's workers trying to come talk her into coming home and go through with the marriage like a good girl."

Like her knowing all the Latin languages and German. Most likely her adopted parents more or less forced her into learning them whether she wanted to or not. I assume they are trying to mold the perfect daughter out of the girl they adopted.

"It seems more like her rich parents most likely set her up for that. They set weird restrictions and stuff on her at times. Wouldn't be surprising if they forced her to."
"Would make sense if they forced her to do things she didn't want to do. She's never mentioned to ever go back home and visit. She only talks to her butler occasionally. She most likely became an idol to get away from her family and uses the whole "everything is a secret" to erase that part of her life for the time being."
"She wants to separate that old part of her life with her new life as an idol.

More or less she's running from her past and doesn't want to let anyone onto her past."

Then there's the sister we still haven't met or was given a name yet.
"Though we never heard about her sister and why they don't speak.
Unless the parents somewhat gave up on Takane and moved their plans onto her.
Or her sister is the good girl and obeys her parents 100%. To not disrespect her parents, like her older sister did, she ignores Takane as well.
Though it begs to wonder why would she move so far away (from wherever she's from) to move near Tokyo (I'm assuming for im@s location) to join 765Pro?
She could just as easily be an idol in her home town and defy her parents right to their faces.
Though that would be highly disrespectful and she's a very polite person so...."
I think of it more she's trying to defy her parents and trying to be her own person for once.
Takane seems to be a person set up by her parents to become someone she might necessarily doesn't want to become.....most likely the next CEO of her adopted father's company.
Highly educated, multilingual.....points to them grooming her to take over.
She probably has such a close relationship with her butler because he may have been the only one that never tried to force her to be something that she isn't.
Any language under the Latin language (as well as German) she's listed as being fluent in them.
Spanish, Portuguese, French, Italian, and Romanian. But she's admitted horrible at English.
Whether that covers other smaller languages such as Tuscan or Sicilian is unknown but it's assumed since they said ALL that they mean ALL.
"German from her first vision so we're assuming her being fluent in German was carried over.
I assume that she was born in Japan. Shortly after her sister was born her parents died. Shijou family (most likely friends of her parents - maybe business partners?) adopted the two girls. Eventually they move to Germany due to their father's work and she lives there for most of her childhood/early teen years. Why she may consider the "old capital" (Berlin - assuming it's Germany) to be her hometown. Moves back to Japan probably around 12-14 y/o. Years later joins 765PRO.
Plausible at least but who knows if/when we ever get a proper backstory."
She's stated as not having any real memories of her birth parents so I'm assuming she must have been around 2-3 y/o when her sister was born and her mother died (assuming at childbirth or shortly after) and her father died as well shortly after.
Though my head-canon story has it that her mother died during childbirth and her father became very ill shortly after (Takane being around 2 y/o at this point and not remembering either of them). He asked the Shijou family (former business partners) to take in his two daughters until he was well again. He ends up never getting well again and dies leaving the girls orphaned and the Shijou family adopts them.
Well if you go by first vision her adopted mother could have died, adopted father was too busy to take care of her. Butler took care of her mostly. Adoptive father eventually dies and leaves her alone once again.
Which would explain why she hates being alone.

Even Kuroi refers to Takane as a Princess.
He mentions real Princess from a ruined country but it could all be a lie.
"politically powerful Shijou family" meaning rich as holy fuck Shijou family
"Seems like there are complicated issues behind Takane's decision to become an idol."
"I can't afford to lose" attitude
"Someone who needs the help of others isn't fit to hold a position of power!
A ruler must always remain isolated and alone."
ceo = ruler
"She may be deluded or just playing along, but she sure knows how to act like royalty."
I think that whole princess thing is just a fun thing Takane likes to play along with.
Takane doesn't like Kuroi much, simply just thankful that he made her debut possible, but that's about it.
"She's using me for her own goals as well."
Parents want Takane to learn how to survive on her own and hold her own in the real world. Given her love and passion for music they send her off to be an idol. They contact and entrust Takane's debut with Kuroi I'm guessing since 961PRO is a pretty well known agency. Idol world is cut throat just like the business world. They were probably hoping she'd learn to gain some backbone and some deceptive traits to get herself through.
Even Kuroi doesn't believe the BS princess story Takane gave him.
"Truth be told, I don't believe it. It's just too big of a story."
"However, Takane-chan believes it and is trying to become a top idol."
So my theory of her using that whole princess and mysterious past thing may be right on point with her.
She's using that as a (awfully made) cover story.
She doesn't want people to know her real past since she's probably running from her past.
She wants to leave her past behind her and start anew. But fucking hell she made up an awful story that a 5 y/o would make.
She's definitely from an extremely rich family.
Probably a sheltered life so she couldn't think of anything else and went with a princess story.
Though whether that canon from SP is carried over is unknown. Since second vision wiped that stuff starting with im@s2.
Even in the anime and manga series she mentions her butler. So her butler being a major piece of her growing up was never scrapped at least.

Back to the assassination plot:
"Especially since some of the assassin were sent by her younger sister.....so yeah probably her family's workers trying to talk her into coming home."
You have to remember Takane is a stubborn person and if she doesn't want to do something...good luck with getting her to do it.
But that's taking multiple canon sources to make a plausible Takane backstory.
Because there is the fact that while Takane is highly intelligent.....she is also an absolute moron.
And she's shown amazing lapses of judgement - most likely since she never really had to think for herself before if her family is/was controlling her life up until the point she became an idol.

But again these are assumptions we have to make based off of what we know about her backstory and personality.


Sorry if the copy-and-paste was long and a bit disjointed (as the replies and other comments were removed) so some things may seem a bit out of context.
« Last Edit: June 14, 2017, 10:20:20 PM by Hime Idol »
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Re: Takane Shijou: Asperger's syndrome?
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2017, 03:45:32 PM »
I didn't read the whole post, but saying Takane is "trying to keep up the "Ohime-sama" persona she has created for herself" is just plain wrong to start with. One of the most important things about Takane is her being honest and genuine aswell as hating to act against her own nature, which is mentioned in the games and also apparent for example through her love for a simple food like ramen, which doesn't fit that persona at all if she were trying to create one.
The way she acts is natural to her because of her unusual upbringing and she doesn't speak in an uncommonly polit/respectful/convoluted manner because of some act, but because she is respectful and prefers that manner of speaking.
The one thing that could be said about her making a conscious decision to talk the way she does is that in im@s 2 the producer says something about her manner of speaking being weird and she answers that she has heard that a lot but decided to keep it because she found that it would be useful as an appeal for her as an idol.

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Re: Takane Shijou: Asperger's syndrome?
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2017, 04:41:25 PM »
I didn't read the whole post, but saying Takane is "trying to keep up the "Ohime-sama" persona she has created for herself" is just plain wrong to start with. One of the most important things about Takane is her being honest and genuine aswell as hating to act against her own nature, which is mentioned in the games and also apparent for example through her love for a simple food like ramen, which doesn't fit that persona at all if she were trying to create one.

The Ohime-sama persona idea comes from iDOLM@STER SP where it is hinted that Takane is playing along with the whole Ohime-sama thing. But it is unknown how much of Takane's canon from SP was carried over once im@s2 was created. Takane is a very honest and genuine person but she is also a very playful person. If the canon of SP were to be carried over than it is very possible that she is playing along with the Ohime-sama stuff simply because she enjoys it and it fits with her personality.....she is a rich girl after all and being an Ohime-sama would easily fit with that. (I don't want to sound or come off as rude but you really should have read the whole post as that was explained.)

But it is also insinuated that Takane's family is forcing her to be someone she doesn't want to be and that they have very high expectations and that they don't necessarily let her be her own person. Being the Ohime-sama of the group is someone she wants to be and wasn't forced into doing. I feel that prior to being an idol that Takane wasn't referred to as "Ohime-sama" or "Ohime-chin" and that began once she became an idol and became known as the Silver Queen. And instead of calling her "Ouhi-sama" (王妃 - Queen) the other idols simplified it to "Ohime-sama/Ohime-chin" instead.

Takane didn't really need to create much of the Ohime-sama persona as she already acted like a princess/royalty. She simply just keeps up appearances and one of her more "commoner" traits is loving to eat simpler food such as ramen.....even though she's a human garbage disposal when it comes to eating.

« Last Edit: June 15, 2017, 06:45:00 PM by Hime Idol »
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Re: Takane Shijou: Asperger's syndrome?
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2017, 09:29:10 PM »
I know I'm posting in a nearly dead thread, but as someone on the autism spectrum, I do see a lot of symptoms of Aspergers or autism in Takane. Just thought I'd throw my two cents in...besides, even if it isn't canon, it's nice to imagine that even just one of the idols could have that in common with me.
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